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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
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Gentlemen,
last December METAL and I made up our mind and did our own layout for Mihai's (Roender's) FC-100 AMP. This is Mihai's original thread: RMI-FC100, a single stage audio power amplifier The reasons for our decision have been: - the frontend of Mihai's FC-100 belongs to the best (!) designs I have ever seen in the AMP's world - we had a couple of NJL - ThermalTrak - transistors at hand and wanted to use them on the backend We offered our layout in a Group-Buy thread, but after some discussion have been asked to prototype our PCB first before offering it to the community. I ordered a couple of professionally etched prototype PCBs and ZSAUDIO and I built the prototypes. http://www.abload.de/img/fc-100nduq1.jpg The result: An absolutely "rock-stable" amplifier playing at its best. Two comments about its sound-quality: by ZDR (who did his own layout): "Well, I am done now. I just have one little problem - how do I stop those little hairs on the back of my neck from standing up while this baby is playing?" by ZSAUDIO: "All of you guys who plan to build this amp just do it. The PCB what Rudi and Metal offer is an art." I had a problem related to my own build though. The typcial forward voltage drop of the integrated TT - diodes of my charge of NJL-transistors was higher than of Mihai's transistors, and I was not able to activate 5 diodes in the TEMPCO - string. Thanks to a sudden inspiration of FranzM. I bypassed one TT - diode by an external SCHOTTKY diode and fixed my own problem. Since then I have been able to listen to the beautiful sound of the FC-100. My "Prototype - Experiences" are documented in this thread: Roender's FC-100 prototype and builder's thread I have incorporated ZSAUDIO's and my own experiences and your requests into the Revision 1 of the FC-100 PCB and will offer you in this group-buy: - the FC-100 Rev.1 PCB: http://www.abload.de/img/fc_100_gerbv91ybk.png The PCB includes the Frontend, the Backend and a complete, high-quality Backend - PSU. Its size is 245 x 74 mm. For those of you who plan to use your own PSU, reservoirs CAPs, etc..., I have inserted a pre-determined breaking line on the PCB. The quality of this PCB is the best that you can imagine: - 2 mm thick FR4 PCB, double-sided, 70µm copper traces covered with Gold immersion, soldermask, silkscreen, ... Its price will be 15€. - Mihai's FrontEnd Shunt-PSU: http://www.abload.de/img/fc-shuntagytp.png Its size is 76 x 74 mm; its price will be 8€. - whatever you like to have to "make this group-buy complete", for example: Futaba 0R1 / 5W emitter resistors, MKP 1839 / 1µF capacitor, input capacitor, Speaker Protect PCB, Soft-Power-On PCB, ... One of the pre-requisites to make this AMP a real success is to match certain transistors: the input differential pair, the output- and pre-output drivers, LEDs, ... I am currently thinking about designing a "Transistor-Matching-PCB" (if you would like to have). I will leave this group-buy open, until all of your questions have been answered (but will terminate it on April, 15th at least). I feel a little bit sad, right now. Mihai's FC-100 is beating my current favourite DIY - AMP, the TO3-SYMASYM. This is the best-sounding DIY amplifier I have come across so far. Will there be any AMP - PCB that I will be going to offer you in the future? Find the current order list below. Feel free (you would be a fool if not) and join this group-buy. Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos Last edited by Rudi_Ratlos; 18th March 2012 at 01:50 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium the land of chocolate
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Rudi,
Is there a difference between amp boards of the previous batch and this one?Did you make the solder-pads bigger? For me 2 FrontEnd Shunt PSU boards and a set of resistors. Those matching boards are a good idea Last edited by meanman1964; 18th March 2012 at 03:26 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
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Patrick,
the main differences are: - 4 reservoir CAPs (instead of 2) - filter and space for bigger heatsinks in the backend PSU - section - bigger solder PADs for the emitter-resistors - each TT - diode can be jumpered individually I did not change anything regarding the frontend- or backend - section of the AMP. Best regards - Rudi |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium the land of chocolate
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There is no need for me to take the other amp boards from upcoming groupsbuy?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
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I'm in with 2 complete sets.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hungary
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Hello Rudi and Metal,
i'm with you guys and will order my next boards. zsaudio
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: ALSACE
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Hi Rudi and Metal,
Nice work, I like the pcb. Count me in for : - 4 amp boards - 2 shunt psu boards - 2 set of 0.1R resistors Any chance for the TT transistors to be included in your offer ? Cheers, Francis |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
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Patrick, the Rev.0 - PCBs that you have, work very well!
You do not necessarily need the Rev. 1 - PCBs. A small update of the order-list. Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium the land of chocolate
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For me 2 FrontEnd Shunt PSU boards and a set of resistors
Do you've also four 0,22 emiter resistors left? Last edited by meanman1964; 18th March 2012 at 06:48 PM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
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Francis,
if you want to: I will order NJL0302DG / NJL0281DG from MOUSER or FARNELL or ... In the original thread Mihai recommends to closely match the output-transistors (hFE and VBe). I had a dozen of each of the transistors and the Hfe varied from 91 to 117 (for the NJL0281DG, f.e.). But I found 2 closely matched triples of each. I will contact ZSAUDIO and ask him for his experience. Then I know what I can offer you. Patrick: I have 4 0R22 resistors left. Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos |
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