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Old 11th March 2012, 04:15 PM   #61
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I posted about this over on the AE forum group buy thread.... but thought I'd put the same offer on this thread as well:

If anyone involved with the group buy is no longer wanting to wait for the items to arrive, I'm willing to buy out your order (depending on what model you purchased). I'm specifically interested in some more TD15Ms, but also very open to some more TD12 models.

Since I've just ordered a bunch of the pre-order SEOS-12 plastic waveguides, I want to try a bunch of different projects for those SEOS units with AE and other brand drivers to see which one I like the best. I'd never heard an AE woofer before except a couple years ago when one buddy tried a speaker with some of the AE dipole woofers running up to 150Hz or so... so no idea what the TD series of woofers sound like. But they get a lot of good press from the reading I've done over the past week or so... so I'd like to get some of them to try and see how these drivers sound in various configurations compared to other companies' driver offerings. I'm also very curious to compare as many different iterations of the waveguide equipped 2 way or 2.5 way designs as I can with my current Usher, Harbeth, and Von Schweikert speakers and evaluate the relative merits, drawbacks, etc. of each.

I was lucky enough to just buy a few TD12X units from another customer that were put in queue last year before the group buy. They're built and packaged and ready to ship from John. Hopefully they will ship out soon. I've also had one very nice gentleman on AVS Forum offer to sell me a pair of his group buy ordered TD15M drivers.... but I'm not sure that's enough drivers for all the projects I'd like to try. hehehe...... Soooooo... definitely at least another pair or more of TD15Ms and some more TD12 models (especially since I just bought those 3 TD12Xs... a few more might make a nice surround setup of speakers to try.... and I wouldn't mind giving an MTM style speaker a try with TD12Xs)....

While it would be nice to get in on the group buy price (I didn't even know about this SEOS thing until a couple weeks ago and therefore wasn't really even looking at various DIY driver options until long after the AE group buy closed), I'm more concerned with trying to cut the wait time for more drivers to be delivered to me to a more manageable timeframe than placing a new order today. I'd like to take over someone's group buy spot so there's a reasonable expectation of getting more drivers in a few months rather than whatever the timeframe might be for a new order placed today. What can I say.... I'm an impatient bugger when I get fixated on something new to try out / explore

Please contact me via PM or email (htdoc11 at yahoo dot com) if you are interested. I'm about to go into baby sequester mode very soon with our first baby. She could go any day now since we're past 36 weeks (and she is more than ready for the little fella to come out asap! hehehe). Given that, it's unlikely I'll be able to work on building stuff for a few months once he arrives... which hopefully means the timelines will line up perfectly with the arrival of parts and getting group buy woofers out to me (as well as all the plastic SEOS 12 waveguides I ordered). But again, I'd like to move myself up in the line and reduce the wait time compared to placing a new order today.

Thanks in advance for anyone wanting to assist me! I really appreciate it!
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Old 22nd March 2012, 04:21 PM   #62
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Default AE still around??

Is AE still in business?

The owner isn't replying to Group Buy inquires. The owner isn't replying to legitimate customer inquires or shipping out past orders that are supposedly ready to go. I'm participating in the Group Buy and starting to worry that this GB is belly up.

Is there a GB participant here who lives in the Green Bay, Wisconsin vicinity willing search out and talk to the owner in person. It would be nice to get some closure to this fiasco, try to recover damages and move on.

I knew that I'd have to wait a while to get my pair of TD15m's but this is getting ridiculous.

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Old 23rd March 2012, 01:42 AM   #63
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Not looking good...

See thread: so, you got some old school, eh???
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Old 23rd March 2012, 01:56 AM   #64
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Doesn't look like what I'd expect from John's shop. Any indication of location?
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Old 23rd March 2012, 02:18 AM   #65
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I hope it is not John's business. I could not find location info. Apparently the guy found it via CraigsList.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 03:41 PM   #66
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Doesn't look like what I'd expect from John's shop. Any indication of location?
1825 Mill Street,
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Old 23rd March 2012, 03:46 PM   #67
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I tried the phone number once. It is on their webpage.

920-469-9198

I got a recorded message which directs one to use e-mail or their forum for contacting them.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 04:13 PM   #68
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It's definitely not AE.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 07:47 PM   #69
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The issue with the chinese shipment is unfortunate. It is unfortunately a fact of business. IMO, you had to be a little naive to go into this thinking that wouldn't be a possibility. I'm referring to both the buyers and John himself. Supplier issues like this occur all the time. It is even tougher with foreign suppliers and IME even worse with Chinese suppliers (not a knock on the Chinese, but there is sometimes more variance whether due to language issues or sometimes less established companies).

John should have been more cautious with his delivery estimate especially given this was his first time going this route. This group buy and its excellent pricing was contingent on the Chinese order. There is significant risk tied up in that single point of failure.

DIYCable got stuck with a bad supplier and it put them under. If AE had a peer in the market, something like this would kill them too. Everyone would have demanded their money in return and gone with company X. The reality is that there is no peer that I know of. There are other good drivers, but they are either far more expensive or inferior even if it is only slight. This also hasn't been a catastrophic issue but a delay.

I bought into the GB and I basically expected something like this. I'm not particularly put out by it, but I'm sure others are. The only thing I would change would be with John's communication. From the start he should have disclaimed the possibility of delays. From there he should have communicated the status of delays.

Pallas, which BMS and B&C drivers are you referring to? Do you have links to the tests?
You seem to think that this delay/failure to deliver is co-equally the responsiblity of the vendor and the customer.

I've never had experience with a vendor with poorer communication skills. I certainly wouldn't have joined the GB if I'd known that there was a chance of a 4-5 month or more delay. It seems like he's just stonewalling the GB group. He won't even give an explanation as to why the supposedly finished parts haven't been shipped from China. Why even offer a GB if he's not sure of his Chinese partners. It's not just his skin on the table. Seems irresponsible to me. If you go to his forum it appears that he's even ignoring customers not in the GB and failing to ship orders that are supposedly boxed up and ready to go. Is he still in business?

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It's definitely not AE.
Well, I'm glad my hunch was wrong! Phew!
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