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Old 20th March 2013, 01:08 PM   #1351
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I'm not sure what you mean by that.
I simply meant that the interest in speakers is very low. So low in fact that it is almost impossible to make a business model out of it without charging outrageous prices. It takes a lot of time and money to develop these products and if no one buys them what's the use? People always say that they want the best, but they don't buy it when it is available.
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Old 21st March 2013, 03:17 AM   #1352
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Default 2" horn/waveguide options

Ok...so a Seos 30 is off the table.

For 2" options it looks like we have access to JMLC , E-JMLC, IWATA and Tractrix.

I know there's been some mention of a SEOS -18 and 24 in a 1.4".

How about a SEOS-24 in a 2" ?


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Old 24th March 2013, 08:33 PM   #1353
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Any info about the J horn ?

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Old 25th March 2013, 06:27 AM   #1354
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J-horn is similar to JBL 4560.
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Old 27th March 2013, 02:11 PM   #1355
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Old 27th March 2013, 03:58 PM   #1356
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I simply meant that the interest in speakers is very low. So low in fact that it is almost impossible to make a business model out of it without charging outrageous prices. It takes a lot of time and money to develop these products and if no one buys them what's the use? People always say that they want the best, but they don't buy it when it is available.
Usually I agree, but I think the problem is different.

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The wealth distribution in the United States is heavily concentrated in the top 10%, and the top 1% in particular. Due to this, ninety percent of the people who'd like great sound can't afford a speaker that costs five or ten thousand dollars. (This doesn't mean they can't get great sound - but it means they can't afford a five figure loudspeaker.)

At the same time, the top 10% of the curve can afford LOTS of loudspeakers. The top 10% of the income distribution curve can afford to buy expensive speakers routinely.

So the market is catered towards that top ten percent of the curve. These companies *want* you to buy a new audio component every six to twelve months. They don't *want* you to buy one speaker and keep it for the next ten or twenty years, because these guys understand that there are people out there who can afford to drop five or ten grand on an audio component on a regular basis.

I believe that the audio market would be different if income was distributed more evenly; it might also explain why the American audio market is quite a bit different than the European audio market. IMHO, European loudspeaker manufacturers seem to be more focused on the middle of the market.
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Old 27th March 2013, 04:22 PM   #1357
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I'm in good situation with Autotech - we both make it for fun and it's a hobby.
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Old 27th March 2013, 05:15 PM   #1358
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Usually I agree, but I think the problem is different.

I believe that the audio market would be different if income was distributed more evenly; it might also explain why the American audio market is quite a bit different than the European audio market. IMHO, European loudspeaker manufacturers seem to be more focused on the middle of the market.
John, I actually agree completely and have thought about this many times. As a manufacturer I am at exactly the wrong place. Too expensive for most and not expensive enough for the rich. Its a catch 22 - Can I reduce my prices for a wider appeal? Maybe, but the business quickly looses its atractiveness at lower margins, i.e. its not worth doing for me. Go much higher in price with big budget marketing? Well this does not seem to be "me".
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Old 27th March 2013, 05:16 PM   #1359
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I'm in good situation with Autotech - we both make it for fun and it's a hobby.
Bad for customers. How long will you play at your hobby before you tire of the losses?
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Old 27th March 2013, 06:34 PM   #1360
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Bad for customers. How long will you play at your hobby before you tire of the losses?
Ok, it's time for you to leave this thread.
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