Those were the first things I thought about. I also know how these wide dispersion speakers sound and they are pleasant. It's interesting to me that they supposedly sound more clear on vocals based on that research. This isn't what I'd expect. No matter, I have much to read yet.
One other matter, for speakers more like yours, do you have a recommended placement from the nearby walls?
Thanks,
Dan
We are going way off topic. Maybe these last few should be moved to a new thread?
Rob
Yes, please. There is a name for what is happening here.
Yes, this is generall true, but generally impractical. Never put the speakers right at the wall and don;t move them too close together to get away from the walls either. The room will dictate this.
Sorry for the continued hijack, but like this? Augerpro also has some measurements of the completed speaker up over at avs and htguide somewhere.
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How close would you say is too close? When the polar patterns overlap or is overlap beneficial. Or is overlap nonconsequential?
No, whole system, ±90° in 7.5° increments, like here. The crossover region is the fun part. Data "somewhere" is no data.
I haven't built and am not building an "econowave." Neither was augerpro. It was his design. You want data, it's there. You want more, this is diy audio.
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DE250 and Kappalite clearly stretch "Econo," but they still come in ~1/10 the cost of the commercial product being promoted here.
'Zactly....
DE250 and Kappalite clearly stretch "Econo," but they still come in ~1/10 the cost of the commercial product being promoted here.
'Zactly....
Pretty narrow minded view and off-topic. I obviously asked the wrong guys. Please accept my apologies.
No problem. It was "just pretend," apparently, is all:
[You're off the hook....
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I enjoyed the white paper and it's certainly come in handy in discussions I've had on various forums since the 'average audiophile' needs to know why they should consider purchasing plain looking speakers without beryllium-plated uranium supertweeters with XPL-57 technology Also, Dr. Geddes...I know you like to cite your customer reviews and while I personally believe they are spot on..understand that EVERY speaker has those same reviews. A lot of ignorant listeners out there. Stick with making up a fancy name for your waveguide.
Because of the angles the speakers are toed-in, placing close to a side wall hasn't been an issue for me. I've also found that my 4.1 setup with a 'phantom' center works incredibly well and does a convincing job, at least between the speakers (listening position-wise). I've never been fond of center channels because I always feel like I can locate the speaker too easily. The added cost and size of the Abbeys was a factor, too, I admit.
What's your beef, bro? Hi-jacking the man's thread, being rude, and pushing a ripoff of his idea is...uh...pretty weak.
Also, Dr. Geddes...I know you like to cite your customer reviews and while I personally believe they are spot on..understand that EVERY speaker has those same reviews. A lot of ignorant listeners out there. Stick with making up a fancy name for your waveguide.Because of the angles the speakers are toed-in, placing close to a side wall hasn't been an issue for me. I've also found that my 4.1 setup with a 'phantom' center works incredibly well and does a convincing job, at least between the speakers (listening position-wise). I've never been fond of center channels because I always feel like I can locate the speaker too easily. The added cost and size of the Abbeys was a factor, too, I admit.
DE250 and Kappalite clearly stretch "Econo," but they still come in ~1/10 the cost of the commercial product being promoted here.
'Zactly....
What's your beef, bro? Hi-jacking the man's thread, being rude, and pushing a ripoff of his idea is...uh...pretty weak.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/123426-horn-vs-waveguide.html
The "White Paper" is a gratuitous Geddes promotional piece in the guise of an educational submission posted here for discussion, the thesis being that Summa (and similar Geddes products, presumably,) are better than anything, and we should buy them.
My "beef" is, as others also observed, Earl appropriates the developments of others for this purpose without referencing or crediting them, implicitly putting forth their work as if it were original and uniquely his own.
It's marketing hype, pure and simple, and if it belongs here at all, the invitation to comment in the first post clearly grants license for presentation of alternative views, my own being that many of the elements of directivity highlighted as advantageous therein are readily available to readers via more economical means than the core premise would have everyone suppose....
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