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Old 21st May 2010, 05:54 PM   #251
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Thats no shock that music is mixed loud, just read the hearing damage (tinitus) studies done with recording engineers which show pretty high average sound levels exposure in their job.
FYI: Tinitus is not hearing loss per se.

I've seen one such very small study, but I would appreciate knowing where more are. I am in the medical field so I have access to practically every journal and haven't found much regarding audio professionals, only musicians themselves, which is entirely different. I have always been curious why my 2700+ concerts (as sound engineer) had little impact on my hearing, which still measures normal at age 50. Sadly, my father at 85 is nearly deaf from age related hl.

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I don't see how the loudness curve isn't still just as effective without. It's still going to change the response in accordance with the curves relative to the response of the speaker uncorrected.
It is just as effective, but you don't really know at what SPL level 'flat' should be. Output is relative to the input and needs to be normalized somehow.

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Don't be so pesimistic taj. European broadcaster take standards pretty serious.
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I was referring to the Bulla and Hall articles in AES and mixed that with the online tinnitus information on estimated levels of the disorder in music professionals.
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Old 21st May 2010, 06:09 PM   #254
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Thats no shock that music is mixed loud, just read the hearing damage (tinitus) studies done with recording engineers which show pretty high average sound levels exposure in their job.
Though they usually don't mix as loud as say a real piano or saxaphone is that our kids practice at home. I was implying that people tend to listen to their stereos at quite low level compared to real instruments (that said anecdotally). Studio monitoring is usually a lot closer to reality (except rock drums thankfully). Kids learning to play drums would be well advised to wear hearing protection.

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Don't be so pesimistic taj. European broadcaster take standards pretty serious.
Broadcasters are the most tightly regulated I believe! Of course they are standards based. But that doesn't relate to recording studios or musicians. In the words of a famous American philosopher, "I pity the fool" who tries to regulate musicians. :-)

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Musician should do whatever they want but not recording studios.
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Musician should do whatever they want but not recording studios.
Well, musicians are the customer at recording studios. The customer is always right. The producer belongs to the musicians. If the producer says turn it up. The engineer turns it up. simple as that.

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European broadcast standards regulate studio listening levels?
That's not what I said. Anything else I can help you with today?
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Well, musicians are the customer at recording studios. The customer is always right. The producer belongs to the musicians. If the producer says turn it up. The engineer turns it up. simple as that.

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Engineers could do that with a loudness control based on the equal-loudness contours too
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