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Old 5th December 2008, 01:34 AM   #881
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Just finished them this evening and had my first listen.

Wow. I can't claim to have heard all the other speakers touted as the best of DIY, but these are a level above everything "high end" I've ever heard. If I could toss out just one cliche audio adjective, these are some effortless speakers. Earl's claim that they can play at high levels with ease is spot on. I reached my limits before the Nathan's approached their's. I noticed a little bit of difference between sitting and standing when I went to go play with the DCX (handling subs), but moving horizontally along the couch within the boundaries of the speakers I hear very little change.

I'll start taking some measurements this weekend but right now I'm just indulging myself with some extended listening sessions.

Next up I need to work on some room treatments.

Thanks, Earl. I'm thrilled with them.

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Old 5th December 2008, 01:54 AM   #882
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Just finished them this evening and had my first listen.

Wow. I can't claim to have heard all the other speakers touted as the best of DIY, but these are a level above everything "high end" I've ever heard. If I could toss out just one cliche audio adjective, these are some effortless speakers. Earl's claim that they can play at high levels with ease is spot on. I reached my limits before the Nathan's approached their's. I noticed a little bit of difference between sitting and standing when I went to go play with the DCX (handling subs), but moving horizontally along the couch within the boundaries of the speakers I hear very little change.

I'll start taking some measurements this weekend but right now I'm just indulging myself with some extended listening sessions.

Next up I need to work on some room treatments.

Thanks, Earl. I'm thrilled with them.

-Adam
One thing I really like about the Summas is that they sound better and better the more you listen to them, because you have to "train" yourself to what a waveguide sounds like.

With most conventional speakers I've owned I start noticing flaws after a few weeks. With the Summas, I actually started appreciating many things after months of listening.

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Old 5th December 2008, 12:46 PM   #883
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Thanks - enjoy.

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An almost universal experience. This is precisely the reason that I don't do shows. The Summa sound is a hard sell in a flashy, glitzy environment where things need to grab the listener instantly. No, doing shows is not going to happen, I figured that out a long time ago. Word of mouth will have to be the main form of advertising as thats the situation that I'm in.

So thanks to both of you for your "word of mouth" endorsments.
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Old 5th December 2008, 12:49 PM   #884
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Thanks - enjoy.

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An almost universal experience. This is precisely the reason that I don't do shows. The Summa sound is a hard sell in a flashy, glitzy environment where things need to grab the listener instantly. No, doing shows is not going to happen, I figured that out a long time ago. Word of mouth will have to be the main form of advertising as thats the situation that I'm in.

So thanks to both of you for your "word of mouth" endorsments.
I couldn't agree more. I work from home, and I listen to these things all day long. In my whole life, I've *never* been able to listen to a speaker without getting neurotic about the sound quality or perceived shortcomings.

I'm listening to the Summas right now, and was listening to them when I posted last night.

You really have to listen to them for a few weeks to fully appreciate them.
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Old 5th December 2008, 01:21 PM   #885
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So thanks to both of you for your "word of mouth" endorsments.
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I couldn't agree more. I work from home, and I listen to these things all day long. In my whole life, I've *never* been able to listen to a speaker without getting neurotic about the sound quality or perceived shortcomings.

I'm listening to the Summas right now, and was listening to them when I posted last night.

You really have to listen to them for a few weeks to fully appreciate them.

If that is the case then I am in for a real treat.

My experience is similar, in terms of nitpicking with other speakers. Last night I just sat back and grinned ear to ear. My wife kept laughing at me because she said I have rarely looked so delighted. I'm going through my catalog of songs and each one feels new.

I never thought I'd hear sound like this using a receiver and a computer as a source. Now I'm absolutely sure I have no regrets about selling off my McCormack gear to finance this little project.
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Old 5th December 2008, 01:41 PM   #886
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As I have said many times before, the sound is all about the speakers. A decent receiver and CD player ($200 total in my case) very good speakers and decent multiple subs and you have a great system.

I should mention that I am very excited about my next design. I received the low end B&C speakers the other day and I'm going to do an 8" system arround them. I expect the kit costs to be very low, maybe 1/2 of the Nathans. I don't expect the same output level or dynamics form this system as the Nathans or Abbeys, but this speaker would be ideal for surrounds or a very low cost main system.
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Old 5th December 2008, 02:15 PM   #887
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I should mention that I am very excited about my next design. I received the low end B&C speakers the other day and I'm going to do an 8" system arround them. ...this speaker would be ideal for surrounds....
Monopole or dipole? Are you envisioning something different from your past recommendations for surrounds, or how exactly will this new system fit into your prior recommendation?
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Old 5th December 2008, 02:51 PM   #888
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Please understand that my recommendations for surrounds is based on weak arguments in the total lack of data. Hence they are based more on practicality than rationality. If I could make a really decent set of surrounds that were monopoles, then I would try them. I would certainly use them on the back wall if not on the sides. The recommendations for surrounds does seem to be changing and the mixing for them likewise. So I may change my position at some point. Will I personally use these new speakers as surrounds - on the sides - no, they are still too expensive and too big. Others may not have the highly constrained space that I have and may want to do something different. The surround situation is not fixed in stone.

The new smaller speakers will be simply scalled down from the same "mold" as the current ones. The design works and I'm going to stick with it.
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Old 5th December 2008, 03:07 PM   #889
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I guess the directivity control from the beaming woofer and waveguide is one of the major reasons why the design works, so as you lower the size and increase the crossover point, this is pushed higher in frequency, which is a negative.

On the other hand, a 8" may be able to have better transient response (less Le) than it's 10" or 12" counterparts, assuming similar 'scaled' driver design. Given that one has to use subs with even the 12"s anyway, a 8+waveguide "head" on someone's homebuilt bassbins could be quite the nice solution!

Looking forward to seeing this, with some of the lessons you've learned from the project re: quality.
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Old 5th December 2008, 03:22 PM   #890
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Hi Earl!

By any chance, will you be offering one of your band pass sub design as well?

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