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Old 23rd June 2006, 05:44 PM   #11
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Rock with a full range speaker.....here ya go.......


http://www.stereostones.com/sierra.html


Sorry...I just had to......

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Old 23rd June 2006, 06:15 PM   #12
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anything melodic goes well with fullrangers. I play everything on mine (dipole re166e with a 15" atlas cutting in under 100hz), and for melodic death metal its GREAT. Crash cymbals are pretty good, although most recordings butcher it a bit, if you stumble upon one with good cymbals its really nice.

i dont think its that fullrange doesnt suit heavy music, i think its that the way they record ehavy music doesnt suit fullrangers! fullrange is very detailed and critical, the metal recordings are clipped/compressed/distorted most of the time.

i listen to everything on mine though, from black metal, to classical, to classic rock, to jazz.

im highly considering moving to a smaller basszilla knockoff OB configuration with me fe166, and a sealed 12 or 15(pyle ppa 15 looks good modelling wise, but im not sure about distortion!) and cross everything at 100hz(out of the critical vocal band, but still high enough that the fostex gets LF protection for more SPL) to give them more kick for rock etc!


you CAN rock with fullrange, as long as you have a sub.....but im not gonna lie...






...for metal id REALLY love a pair of d27 veritas! they look pretty awesome for it, lots of spl capability, TONNES of bass from 4 10" woofers, and extended HF response.
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Old 23rd June 2006, 07:39 PM   #13
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I'm with GM on this one. The Jordan JX92S in his 48" MLTL does amazing well on the bass end (40 Hz or so is easy). Now you will have the pressure wave blowing your hair but the music is very nice. None of the Fostex speakers do much more than polite music for my tastes.

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Old 23rd June 2006, 07:57 PM   #14
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Maybe I listen to different non-polite music than Jim.

Steve Albini's guitar sounds great, saw Shellac the other night and though it was much louder live (and less well miked) I think my FE-166 BLH (currently the BK-16...building RonHorn for it) does an acceptable job. Jesus and Mary Chain, Medicine and other wall of distortion bands sound great as well. Ministry, recent Killing Joke and others of similar ilk are not as successfull on the system, then again many two-ways suck on this music as well.

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Old 24th June 2006, 03:48 AM   #15
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I am currently running a pair of golwood GW-8003/8 in 27 liter sealed boxes that sound good with rock music. They put out a decent amount of bass.
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Old 24th June 2006, 09:16 AM   #16
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My feeling is that the Full Range don;t work great for rock as they are too revealing and lots of rock just sounds harsh through them, but they sure do sing with pretty much everything else and I have found DVD-A can really be used to advantage with them.

I listen to a lot of rock as well as most other stuff so I'm looking at building a pair of small 6.5 inch driver corner subs and I have super tweeters as well. The tweeters and subs will be on seperate amps so the real solution is that I can adjust them or even turn them off as needed, add a mid range attenuator on the full rangers, or perhaps use a bypassable equalizer and maybe you could have it all on demand. To me its seems like a real pity to compromise real musicality to cope with poor highly compressed rock recordings, with the alternative approach of regular multiway speakers you ultimate sound will always be compromised to suit the lowest common demoninator.
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Old 25th June 2006, 04:03 PM   #17
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Would a Fosted FE127e in a BR enclosure do the job? Or would a FE167e be better? How about the CSS FR125s? Which would you suggest for a small room aprox 150sq ft.?
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Old 25th June 2006, 11:41 PM   #18
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Assuming you are not using a sub of the three you mention the css FR125s are the most likely to work well in a BR enclosure, the Fostex drivers really are designed for more exotic enclosure configs. The FR125s though are fairly inefficient and looking at the specs and tests they will not go teriibly loud, but the response across the range is very nice up till the point they start to compress, bass is reportedly very nice.

The Fostex can sound very loud when mounted in horns, transmission lines etc, and they are efficient, especially the FE167s.

The overall feeling is that the 2 fostexs you are looking at sound pretty similar, with the 167 having a better kick in the bass, but quite a few really praise the 127s midrange/high prowess as maybe better.

One option is to use the 127s in a double bass reflex box, fostex have one on their site and it works very nicely, it is hardly any more difficult to build than the BR, basically it just involves an internal baffle, I'm not sure if there is a DB design for the 167 series, but that could be a good option too.

As an extra option you could try using a bass extender module with the 127s or 167s, I have one of these permenantly in the system using a set of 4 inch drivers and it works an absolute treat, easy to build and cheap!

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.as...=item&id=K5561

You should know that the 127s/167s are very revealing speakers so while they potentially sound great, it your using low grade amps, sources and cables they will probably end up sounding harsh, in that case the CSS FRs would probably be easier to live with.

Overally the consensus seems to be that the 127s are amazing value for money, and I feel if you have a good system and are going to use a sub, they would be a great choice for a small room.
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Old 26th June 2006, 12:27 AM   #19
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For my computer setup I am running TangBand W23-972S in back loaded horns. They only go down to about 100Hz so a subwoofer is required.

For my subwoofer I am using two TangBand W6-1139SG in a MLTL.

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Old 26th June 2006, 10:45 PM   #20
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Default Rock? I think that this ...

... could be a mission for the Viech:

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http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50153&highlight=viech

I mean, Rock should be also relatively loud, relatively spoken.
The Viech is quite popular in Germany now, there are well over a hundred pairs built, and for example, there is a guy called dD1210 who used a pair of Viechs (supported by two Subwoofers) to run a Party with 300 people on 300 m2.

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=104&thread=1913& postID=7168#7168

Another one used them without subwoofer for a party of 100 people open air, hehe.
Not bad for a HiFi-Speaker, isn't it?
From sound point of view I think that the Viechs fit nicely to Rock music, because of the very dynamic reproduction and the "stage" or "live" feeling they transport, especially when played at higher volumes.

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