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Old 15th March 2006, 06:17 PM   #11
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Hi,

What about Supravox 135LB? I'm sure you've seen this one.. Is there some reason why this one is not considered here? To me it seems to be pretty good candidate.

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Old 15th March 2006, 06:54 PM   #12
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Hi,

What about Supravox 135LB? I'm sure you've seen this one.. Is there some reason why this one is not considered here? To me it seems to be pretty good candidate.

Martin
It could be a nice candidate but it has an uneven response, a biiiiiiig resonnance at 1kHz and not a very good CSD compared to the 165GMF
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Old 15th March 2006, 07:08 PM   #13
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This Veravox seems interesting !



Where is the damping placed ? Is it on the open baffle or behind the driver or in front of it ?



Would you be kind enough to scan and post the graphs so everybody could see them ?




What do you mean there ? Is the F120A way better than the Veravox ?
In Europe, Veravox 5S is sold 149 and F120A is sold 180 so the difference is not so big.



I don't understand why ribbons sound so good according to golden ears because compared to domes, they don't perform as well (looking at the measurements on www.zaphaudio.com ).
What about a horn tweeter like the FT96H ? I've had a nice experience with the FT17H. Could anyone tell me if the FT96H is worth its price compared to FT17H ?




The 215GMF looks very nice despite some resonnances. It could be my choice in a 2-way setup but I will be using a bass driver (8" to 12") below 200Hz so maybe such a big driver is not needed. Moreover I don't have so much place in my room so it could be a waste.



Yes I own a pair of FX120 that are used as true fullrangers in my current system. (TQWT mounted)
It is a good, very neutral and quite detailed driver. You never get tired listening to them.
But IMHO, this driver is limited in bass extension, in SPL (even if you don't listen loud) and therefore cannot express its full potential in a fullrange system. I find them slow and dynamicsless compared to my friend's Supravox 165GMF which really have punch.
Also, my young ears really feel like they have too little treble above 12kHz, which is not so good.

I tried to do a CSD with LSPlab but it was taken in my room, on the TQWT, at a distance of 8cm. I don't think it is a representative measurement.
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The dampening is fiber fill behind the driver (though they might do it with some dampening on the front baffle as well

I don't have the issue.. plus it would be a copyright infringement. Sorry.

I meant that the Fostex Sigma is not as good as the Veravox - for the bandwidth you desire. Now the fostex sigma is a more balanced design in that its lower midrange and upper bass has less attenuation. As to the f120a, I don't know about that, but consider that the mass is higher than either the 126e and the 5s - and it seems to make a difference in the bandwidth you want. Now if you wanted a more extended driver - then either would likely be better than the 5s.. but then there is the 5x (though it is I believe discontinued).

I don't think anyone fully understands why normal ribbons are better. IMO our understanding of exactly what types of distortion are most meaningfull is still in its infancy. Simply relying on measurements is an exercise in futility. (..but thats not to say you shouldn't use measurements, just don't use them at the expense of what your ears are telling you). All I can tell you about the FT96H is that looks incredibly well built, has MUCH better off-axis high freq. response which should give more "air", and likely has its mechanical resonance in the bandwidth you desire and have a poor CSD.. On the other hand though the driver will likely be attenuated by at least 8 db.. so at reference level CSD will be better than you might think. Still, I'd stick with the ribbons I mentioned for an active system.

With the 8 inch 215 you could go more "vertical" with the design to increase your volume for a given area of floor space.. Additionally, considering room-gain you could achieve a fair bit of extension with a non-aligned bass reflex design. (..say perhaps a tuning freq. around 26 Hz.)

Oh, BTW.. the measurement looks about right - and if I'm not mistaken there was fiber fill behind the driver when it was measured. Correct?
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Old 15th March 2006, 07:21 PM   #14
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At the criteria mentioned at the beginning of the thread, I'm
surprised that you are not considering the Fostex FE168EZ. I
think it has great performance from 250 to 10 KHz - it has
about the same linear displacement as the larger 208EZ, but
a much better dispersion character.
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Old 15th March 2006, 07:25 PM   #15
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Just thought I'd add a little more to this, as I have a quick minute. I currently have the FE166ES-R and FE168E Sigma running open baffle. The 166 is breaking in nicely, but I do note a little distortion when compared to the 168 due to the whizzer. The 168 being a bit more layed back and not reaching as high. However, the build quality of the 168 is fantastic. I have some phase plugs coming for the 166s to hopefully help a bit.

I did order a pair of the Veravox 5x drivers, sort of a special edition of the 5s. I've been dying to try them and decided to take the plunge. As long as my girlfriend doesn't find out...

Anyway, I'll post thoughts once I receive them, which will most likely be next week sometime. I spoke with Mr. Solen and he was helpful. He said he met the make of them and they are a very well crafted speaker.

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Old 15th March 2006, 08:38 PM   #16
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Just thought I'd add a little more to this, as I have a quick minute. I currently have the FE166ES-R and FE168E Sigma running open baffle. The 166 is breaking in nicely, but I do note a little distortion when compared to the 168 due to the whizzer. The 168 being a bit more layed back and not reaching as high. However, the build quality of the 168 is fantastic. I have some phase plugs coming for the 166s to hopefully help a bit.

I did order a pair of the Veravox 5x drivers, sort of a special edition of the 5s. I've been dying to try them and decided to take the plunge. As long as my girlfriend doesn't find out...

Anyway, I'll post thoughts once I receive them, which will most likely be next week sometime. I spoke with Mr. Solen and he was helpful. He said he met the make of them and they are a very well crafted speaker.

Best of luck
WOW! I didn't know that they were still available OR that Solen had become a distributor.. Great prices as well!
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Old 15th March 2006, 08:43 PM   #17
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Solen doesn't have many pair. If you want either the 5x or 7x, you had better jump. I'm hoping that they are all their cracked up to be. I'll try to post some picts and thoughts on them.
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Old 16th March 2006, 01:43 PM   #18
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There is a report on a direct comparison between FX120 and Veravox 5 running on audiodiskussion.de. The tester says they are totally different. The Veravox is a lot more direct. I have some experience with the FE126E and I would also say it is a softie compared to Ciare drivers.
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Old 16th March 2006, 02:47 PM   #19
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First, a quick post regarding Nelson's thought and the 168E Sigma. It is indeed a wonderful driver. I have a pair I've been running for quite some time and they are really nice. Layed back and very smooth, yet plenty of detail and easy to listen to. I'd recommend a super tweeter on top, but that's listener dependent. TC has said in the past that he thinks it may be the best compromise driver for full range, meaning good low end weight and you really don't "need" any help up top. It does have an amazing midrange with good tonality and weight to the male voices.

A quick note regarding the VeraVox, I changed my order to the 7x. It's going open baffle and I was having trouble seeing the smaller driver deliver much weight in the low mids and upper bass in my up and coming system. I'm not after the lower bass, just from about 200 hz on up.
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Old 16th March 2006, 03:00 PM   #20
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Back to the original question - the Jordan JXR6 would have the advantage of not needing any additional ribbon tweeter as it runs to well over 20kHz. It sounds cleaner and more extended than the JX92.
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