Negative opinions on Voigt pipes...what's your take on this?

Glowbug · 3rd March 2006, 09:10 PM

Hey all...

For a summer project, once I get my main system done, I'm thinking about building a pair of speakers to go with the NAD 3020 integrated amp/dbx EQ/DVD player setup that's hooked up to my TV currently. I'm thinking a pair of Voigt pipes for Fostex FE127E's - running a BSC as I can afford the efficiency loss. However, I've heard that Voigt pipes are an undesirable design, but yet I hear others that love them...what's your opinion on this?

I've decided on either these TQWT's or a set of backloaded horns. But the pipes are significantly easier to make

Thanks in advance.

Dumbass · 3rd March 2006, 09:56 PM

Here is one write-up on why the Voigt pipe is not a great design:
http://www.geocities.com/rbrines1/Pages/Voigt_Pipe.html
AFAIK the big drawback is that the pipe comes to a point.

Here are some great designs for the FE127E:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...956#post843956

SCD · 3rd March 2006, 10:49 PM

Hello:
I built a nice set of pipes for this driver. Not sure what other people think I actually really do not care too much? I really like them and others that have heard them feel they are great. This driver has many very good things about it and I recommend it. Any of the designs on Planet10 web page boxplan page are very good. I have heard most of the designs and all sound very good.
The big question you have to resolve is what are expecting to use the speakers for?
If it is normal listening to detailed fine music you will love them. If it is gut wrenching party music you may want to try something else.
Good luck

Godzilla · 3rd March 2006, 10:59 PM

http://www.zillaspeak.com/fostex127eStraightPipe.asp

Mine sounds nice. Sub helps out in the bass of course... i am going to build a more simple ported box for the 127e soon and drop my 168S into these pipes... just a simple switcheroo... but the pipes sound great with the 127e. I feel the pipes i built are too large for the ity bity 127e.

SCD, your designs look more size appropriate. Great work!

Peace,
Godzilla

SCD · 3rd March 2006, 11:11 PM

Thanks Zilla:
My old friend Timin8ter helped me with the design. A little bass boast is nice but with my mini A these sound pretty good to me.

Dumbass · 3rd March 2006, 11:35 PM

Note that both SCD's and Godzilla's pipes are not "true" Voigt pipes as they don't terminate with zero cross-section.

That is what Brines is going on about in his article.

Godzilla · 4th March 2006, 12:09 AM

One neat thing about these pipes is how forgiving they are of the drivers used with them. I have had TB Bamboo, Radio Shack 1354, Fostex 127e in them and they all sounded really good. The cabinet allows you to hear each drivers sound quality without mucking up the bass... bass is always smooth and bouncy.

These cabinets have become a sort of test bed for different drivers.

Make a removable front baffle like i did so you can experiment too.

Godzilla

Scottmoose · 4th March 2006, 05:53 PM

As you will now have seen, there is a difference between a tapered quarter-wave tube (especially the mass-loaded types) and the Lowther Club of Norway 'Voigt Pipe'. Avoid the latter like the plague, but the basic narrow top, wide bottom taper itself is fine; it just depends on how you implement it.

Best
Scott

3rd March 2006, 09:10 PM	#1
Glowbug diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hillsborough, NC/McLean, VA	Negative opinions on Voigt pipes...what's your take on this? Hey all... For a summer project, once I get my main system done, I'm thinking about building a pair of speakers to go with the NAD 3020 integrated amp/dbx EQ/DVD player setup that's hooked up to my TV currently. I'm thinking a pair of Voigt pipes for Fostex FE127E's - running a BSC as I can afford the efficiency loss. However, I've heard that Voigt pipes are an undesirable design, but yet I hear others that love them...what's your opinion on this? I've decided on either these TQWT's or a set of backloaded horns. But the pipes are significantly easier to make Thanks in advance. __________________ Jim J.

3rd March 2006, 11:11 PM	#5
SCD diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 1/2 way up Vancouver Island	Thanks Zilla: My old friend Timin8ter helped me with the design. A little bass boast is nice but with my mini A these sound pretty good to me. __________________ SCD

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3rd March 2006, 09:56 PM	#2
Dumbass diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: British Antarctic Territory	Here is one write-up on why the Voigt pipe is not a great design: http://www.geocities.com/rbrines1/Pages/Voigt_Pipe.html AFAIK the big drawback is that the pipe comes to a point. Here are some great designs for the FE127E: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...956#post843956

3rd March 2006, 10:59 PM	#4
Godzilla diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York	http://www.zillaspeak.com/fostex127eStraightPipe.asp Mine sounds nice. Sub helps out in the bass of course... i am going to build a more simple ported box for the 127e soon and drop my 168S into these pipes... just a simple switcheroo... but the pipes sound great with the 127e. I feel the pipes i built are too large for the ity bity 127e. SCD, your designs look more size appropriate. Great work! Peace, Godzilla

3rd March 2006, 11:35 PM	#6
Dumbass diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: British Antarctic Territory	Note that both SCD's and Godzilla's pipes are not "true" Voigt pipes as they don't terminate with zero cross-section. That is what Brines is going on about in his article.

4th March 2006, 12:09 AM	#7
Godzilla diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York	One neat thing about these pipes is how forgiving they are of the drivers used with them. I have had TB Bamboo, Radio Shack 1354, Fostex 127e in them and they all sounded really good. The cabinet allows you to hear each drivers sound quality without mucking up the bass... bass is always smooth and bouncy. These cabinets have become a sort of test bed for different drivers. Make a removable front baffle like i did so you can experiment too. Godzilla

4th March 2006, 05:53 PM	#8
Scottmoose diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK	As you will now have seen, there is a difference between a tapered quarter-wave tube (especially the mass-loaded types) and the Lowther Club of Norway 'Voigt Pipe'. Avoid the latter like the plague, but the basic narrow top, wide bottom taper itself is fine; it just depends on how you implement it. Best Scott