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Old 20th October 2005, 08:05 PM   #11
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Dream on, Dave! .... challenge the laws of Physics and provide both bass and efficiency.
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If doable not without that big price increase (and a complex cab as needed for the FE108ES)

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Old 26th October 2005, 08:15 PM   #12
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Default it's about the midrange Bob!

and when done correctly, eliminating the need for a crossover of any order

as for the complexity of cabinet -i.e. BLH / multichambered BR/ bandpass/ parallel TLs (a la Hegeman/Morrison) etc, etc. - that shouldn't be a problem for any worthy DIY or his symbiote.

now selling the idea to the wife / GF, that's an entirely different skillset
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Old 28th October 2005, 07:07 PM   #13
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The FR125 doesn't like the SE tube amps particularily but sounds find with even a mediocre SS HT receiver (don't even think of using the FE127 here). It also seems to do best in simpler boxes (7-15 litre sealed or aperiodic). Most of the ported boxes i've heard them in have too much bass, and i end up stuffing the port(s) to make them aperiodic.

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As for too much bass, I really must be missing something. I've built the FR125 with the Oniken cab design (as suggested on site) and find that the bass is not overbearing whatsoever. In fact I still prefer having my subwoofer integrated into the mix.
The midrange and highs are quite nice, but bass, from my perspective, is lacking. I still maintain to obtain proper bass you need a large woofer (physics). I perfer a seperate subwoofer as there is a lot better control for integration and the ability to supply adequate power to drive the subwoofer.

but that is what diy is all about. you can fulfill your particular needs.
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Old 28th October 2005, 07:26 PM   #14
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As for too much bass, I really must be missing something. I've built the FR125 with the Oniken cab design (as suggested on site) and find that the bass is not overbearing whatsoever. In fact I still prefer having my subwoofer integrated into the mix.
By too much bass, i mean a hump in the 60-120 Hz range. How this plays is VERY room (and taste) dependent.

I too am using the miniOs with a sub. miniOs made aperiodic so that they are smoothly rolling off in the 70-75 Hz range. This has the effect of allowing the mids to be a bit better under dynamic conditions.

It is very nice to see so many designs for these beauties (and i have more coming). Hopefully something for everyone.

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Old 28th October 2005, 10:19 PM   #15
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my turn to throw a thought or two into the mix.
I have both the WR125 as a bipole and as a mono pole. I have a tweeter integrated to help the top end of both of them. For my room, my amp, and my wifes taste the bipole is by far the best.
I also have a set of bipole fe127 in a TQWP these are great when played by the 3/4 watt spud amp and foreplay preamp I have on loan. The midrange is as Chris says great. Yah it is a little light on the bass but I use a cheap sub rolled in at 50 htz or so. The sound stage is huge and fills the room. Very involving and relaxing.
I also have a set of fe167 in a MLTL based on Bob Brines FT1600, I love this set as they were the first member of the family and hold a special place. Efficient and very smooth in the mid range.

My favorite amongs the family fleet, well I will not go there because it might mean I have to let some of the family go. My suggestion is to start with something then build again, and again and keep building until you get it right (which will never do by the way).
Right now I have the WR125 bipoles set up with the SS amp and have been listening to some nice Jazz by Micheal Kaeshammer. It sounds great to me.... This weekend I will set up the fe127 bipoles and the tube gear for a while. ( It has to go home soon, too bad it has been real nice listening to it.) In my room 14x24x22tall the bipoles are greater than great.

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Sorry I was no real help but it fun telling the story anyway! Glad my wife likes music.
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Micheal Kaeshammer.
Super talented local young pianist. Excellent live show, real crowd pleaser.

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And you sir are very good at telling stories. How was your birthday?

back on topic: go for the FR125 in a TL. Sounds bigger than it deserves to.

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Default what if i have 2 fe127s and no tube amp?

maybe i ought to sell them? finding a plan to us ethem is tough. they need to be smallish desk top types. can the fe127 be used this way?
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The fe127 likes to have a current type amp. Nelson Pass published a great article regarding this and does a very nice job of explaining things. Check out his site or the Audio Express site. If you already have them, you may chose to mate them with a bass driver set up to augment the lower end. They really do sound nice in the mid range. For most acoustic music they are fine and I wuite like them. If you expect them to play deep bass and rattle your liver well then you might have misinterpreted some of the information.

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you are very right about Micheal Kaeshammer. I went to a great show here in last week. We were fifth row, centre seats. Had a great two hour+ show. He can play piano like no one else. his trio was tight and hot. The Bass player was quite pleasing to look at as well.
The celebration of my getting more ancient was real fun, the nieces and nephew are growing up fast. My mom is happy and healthy.
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his trio was tight and hot. The Bass player was quite pleasing to look at as well.
haven't seen him with a female bass player, but he sure has fun with Damian, his drummer, they're quite a pair.

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Glad to hear all of the above. Oops I'm off topic again.

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Default Re: what if i have 2 fe127s and no tube amp?

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maybe i ought to sell them? finding a plan to us ethem is tough. they need to be smallish desk top types. can the fe127 be used this way?
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I built some fe127s for a friend of mine using GM's MLTL design. They turned out very well. I also gave my friend a HK solid state amp I got for free. They sound great, I'm sure not nearly as nice as a tube amp, but I wouldn't be turned off of the project just because of your amplifier. If you have the speakers build some enclosures for them, If you don't like them (AFTER the break in) sell them. Give them a try. All you need to do is spend $15 on wood and you have GM's design. It may not have all the bass you want. but there are other designs for more bass. I myself have found 2 or 3 different BLH plans on the internet.

Here is my thread about the fe127

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