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Old 13th October 2005, 07:03 PM   #11
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A bit OT but I've found that the best way of maximizing WAF is through educating the W! During my last system upgrade I made a point of including her in all steps of the search process and was shocked to discover that she had strong preferences in terms of sound-quality but just hadn't had the vocabulary to explain them. Its lead me to believe that the WAF problem is largely the result of our own failure to integrate them fully into the process of audio system development.

How you can transfer this into an industrial context, I don't know... Personally I think many women find audio equipment a bit intimidating because they simply aren't used to looking at them. This is particularly hard with horns because, lets face it, they are kind of strange looking.

Here's what I'm picturing: A horn enclosure placed in another cabinet that looks like something more common... like a bureau finished in a wood that matches the other furniture in the room. While this will take up more overall space, when its outer doors are closed it won't even look like a speaker! Of course, you'll have to be careful in how you build the external cabinet to not interfere with the sound quality.
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Old 13th October 2005, 07:13 PM   #12
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A bit OT but I've found that the best way of maximizing WAF is through educating the W! During my last system upgrade I made a point of including her in all steps of the search process and was shocked to discover that she had strong preferences in terms of sound-quality but just hadn't had the vocabulary to explain them. Its lead me to believe that the WAF problem is largely the result of our own failure to integrate them fully into the process of audio system development.
I believe this to be true...it helps a lot..

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How you can transfer this into an industrial context, I don't know... Personally I think many women find audio equipment a bit intimidating because they simply aren't used to looking at them. This is particularly hard with horns because, lets face it, they are kind of strange looking.
In this case I think it is not so much that they find it intimidating, but rather are not as visually minded as men.
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Old 13th October 2005, 07:36 PM   #13
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Originally posted by Bas Horneman In this case I think it is not so much that they find it intimidating, but rather are not as visually minded as men.
I don't think many women would be happy with that assessment.

I think women don't see the point in having large speakers around when small ones will do the job almost* as well. As long as they make listenable music most women will not be concerned with the technical details.

(*term used loosely)
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Old 13th October 2005, 08:08 PM   #14
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I don't think many women would be happy with that assessment.
Frankly my dear I don't give a d***n

It is a fact no more no less. Just name 1 famous female painter, sculptor or anything to do with visual styling. Apparently women have better visual memory. But there has been a study that said baby boys preferred to look at objects as babies..and female babies preferred to look at faces...now a lot of research contradicts itself..but I am absolutely convinced that men in general are more into the visual of things...look at the world outside...cars, houses, clothes, jewellery, paintings, sculptures, parks, windmills...just about everything has been designed, made by men. Women just don't care for the look of hifi..in general and would like nothing less that for it to be banished behind a door or curtain.

Womens are better at almost anything else but sports and the visual arts. Then again women according to a recent study actually know the offside rule better than men. But here it comes..in recognizing what shirts belong to what club...a visual skill...men were better. I rest my case
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Old 13th October 2005, 09:04 PM   #15
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I just got a mail if I had never heard of Georgia O' Keefe...

Apparently she was a famous painter. Here is sample of her art...Click the image to open in full size.
It is called Black Rock
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Frankly my dear I don't give a d***n

It is a fact no more no less. Just name 1 famous female painter, sculptor or anything to do with visual styling.

Geogia O'Keefe; and even your average Bose loving red-neck Bud-swilling cowboy could get the message.

oh, what a pretty flower, my dear , is that a self-portrait?

Bas, I'll politely beg to differ with your generalization regarding 'mericuns; I've personally experiences some very fine 'Niche" internet audio gear ( and attempted DIY cloning thereof )

Bottlehead, Decware, Welborne, crazy Ed Shilling to name just a few

But back to the subject full-range, multi-way horns and WAF; without analyzing "why" there I'd agree that for the most part they are mutually exclusive. - and those few out there lucky enough to have a mate that understanding, we simaltaneously salute and curse you!
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Originally posted by Bas Horneman Frankly my dear I don't give a d***n

It is a fact no more no less. Just name 1 famous female painter, sculptor or anything to do with visual styling.
Sorry, Bas, you build lovely tube amps but your argument here is absolute rubbish. I could name you hundreds of very famous female painters, sculptors, designers, architects, stylists. How can you say women don't care about the look of things - everyone knows it's the women who do the interior design in 90% of homes (in the UK anyway)? Whether you like what they do or not is another matter...

In contrast, I think the more visually appealing you make the speaker, the more it will appeal to everyone, not just the men. Good design is not just about acheiving a good sound, it should be able to acheive a certain style too. Without the styling it is not industrial design, it is just industrial.
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Bas, I'll politely beg to differ with your generalization regarding
Ofcourse...it is just that ...a generalization....and a pretty bad one a that.

And I am just fooling about wrt Georgia..I have googled her name and actually love some of her stuff..
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City Night
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Fragment of the Ranchos
de Taos Church, 1929
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Bell/Cross, Ranchos
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everyone knows it's the women who do the interior design in 90% of homes (in the UK anyway)
You've just proven my point!
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I could name you hundreds of very famous female painters, sculptors, designers, architects, stylists.
I'll settle for 5 names of each discipline.
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