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Old 5th May 2005, 01:13 PM   #1
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Default Swan 101 and Fostex

After comparing various designs for the Fe103, I plan to try the Zigmahornet, just for fun, then, second, I should build a Swan 101 for the Fe103.

But, I'm just afraid that the Swan might be a lot of work and I just doubt that a 4" driver (with a 3" cone) can just do it in any normal room, then my question is: can this design be easily adapter for a more ambitious driver like the Fe168ES??

Thanks, Sylvain.
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Old 5th May 2005, 02:48 PM   #2
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I think you would be suprised at the amount of music the 103 can put out in the Swan. It's quite hard to believe that so much music can come from such a little driver the first time you hear it. To answer your question though, there are other "Swan" designs for 6" drivers, I would use one of these instead of trying to redesign the Swan 101a.
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Old 6th May 2005, 01:17 AM   #3
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there are other "Swan" designs for 6" drivers, I would use one of these instead of trying to redesign the Swan 101a.
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Hi Joe,

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

I only ask to be surprised.

It's probably my living with 12" and 15" Tannoys that filled my mind with misconceptions..

Anyway, a great little speaker would be welcomed in my room, as there is not so much space, and I must say that the "full range" approach quite attracts me. I imagine it could be a nice little system, when mated to a little 45 parafeed Se amp that I equally plan to build soon. Too many projects, too little time..

Oh, and would you have such a plan for a 6" driver?

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Old 6th May 2005, 02:31 AM   #4
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D-168 for FE-166ES-R

http://homepage3.nifty.com/spida/framepage%20eng-9.htm

Scroll down and click on number 4 of the main page (16cm speaker)

The Swan family in all its glory is listed here as well as the plan for the Super Swan D-101s

http://homepage3.nifty.com/spida/framepage%20eng-9.htm

Left side of page (Index D-101S Super Swan)

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Old 6th May 2005, 02:51 AM   #5
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There are quite a few different swan designs.
Several each for 3" (D83, D88, D108, D109);
4" (at least 8 versions of the D101),
and at least one for 6" (D168) drivers.

I don't know of one specifically for the FE103 driver though.
Could modify a D101...

From what I understand the FE103 is the earliest of the 4"/40cm designs, and the FE108ES II is the most evolved.
I have a pair of 108 ESIIs breaking in on open baffles while building a pair of D101s cabinets.
I'm AMAZED at how good these tiny things sound!

The D168 was designed for the FE168SS, and it has been recommended/said to work well with FE166ES-R or FE168EZ.

and Nagaoka's books are available @ www.madisound.com/

robert

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sorry, andrewbee posted while i was writing this, i'll try to edit out some repetitious stuff...
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There are some designs for the FE103 which are referred to as the Cobra or King Cobra which use something very similar to the Fostex Spiral horn/ Cornu spiral horn layed flat on the floor with a long neck and head, kind of like a flattended bodied Swan. They are in the Fostex set of books as referred to by Robert.

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Old 9th May 2005, 03:48 AM   #7
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Thanks folks for your answers to my questions, especially the links sent by Andrewbee to the Swans plans, though the "automated" translation from japanese is quite something..

Andrewbee, are you the one who published a Zigmahornet plan and pics on the net?

If yes, just email me direct: gigueresylvain@hotmail.com

I'll build a Zigma very soon, and then, the Swans. Just could not resist..

Sylvain
p.s. same for Nagaoka's book. Looks quite tempting.
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Andrewbee, are you the one who published a Zigmahornet plan and pics on the net?
Yes, guilty as charged

If you build both I think you will prefer the Swan, it is better overall.
The Zigma is good but the Swan is better.

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Old 10th May 2005, 01:27 AM   #9
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Default Zigma club..

Thanks Andrew for your answer.

As posted before, I might begin with the Zigmahornet since the design seems easy to befriend by a beginer builder like me, and then, I'll sure give a try to the Swan later.

As well, the Zigma has a nice "allure" and a small foot print. Perfect for my room, each side of the tv, for watching film, or just for nice "chamber music" ;-) driven by a nice parafeed 45 Se amp.

So Andrew, thanks for your project at

http://melhuish.org/audio/DIYTQ12.html

It sure was a starter for me. By the way, do you think the Zigma could be easily adapted to the Fe108?

And who do you think has created the Zigmahornet? is it and design? It would be fun to start a Zigma fanclub... Count me in!

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Old 10th May 2005, 01:37 AM   #10
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http://audionova.nu/docs/KVARTSVAG.HTM
This is where it all started.

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By the way, do you think the Zigma could be easily adapted to the Fe108?
No, it will not work, the FE103 works okay although it was originally designed for the FE103 Sigma which was discontinued some years ago.

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It would be fun to start a Zigma fanclub
I do not know if it was as much as a fan club but there was I was told a Zigmahornet builders club.

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