ML-TQWT versus BLH - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Full Range

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 29th December 2004, 05:10 PM   #1
hkoetz is offline hkoetz  Netherlands
diyAudio Member
 
hkoetz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Arnhem
Default ML-TQWT versus BLH

Consider both pictures of simulations by M.J. King of a Mass Loaded Tapered Quarterwave Tube (ML-TQWT, top) and a Back-Loaded Horn (BLH, bottom). Both are for a Fostex FE 208 Sigma. Considering both simulations, why would anyone build a BLH, as its SPL response it not nearly so good as the ML-TQWT.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg blh vs ml-tqwt.jpg (57.3 KB, 588 views)
__________________
Lateral is best!
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th December 2004, 05:31 PM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
Josephjcole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
The obvious of course is effeciency. However I really think you need to hear a well designed one, they certainly don't sound ragged as their FR graph would suggest. If you have the space and woodworking tools I would certainly go for the backloaded horn. They seem to have a much larger "presence" than the same driver in an ML-TL, and of course are more dynamic. I really think the simulations/measurements can be misleading.
Here is a review of a Lowther first in a MLTL and then in a backloaded horn.
http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/lowtherpm2a_e.html
I'm not trying to trash on MLTL's, I'm just saying don't dismiss backloaded horns, because the don't look good on paper. What they sound like is the key.
Joe
  Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2004, 12:20 AM   #3
Illusus is offline Illusus  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Illusus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Prairie Wasteland, Canada
I completely agree, I have built both MLTL and BLH for the 206E. Although the horns have less bass extension, it is better defined. The horns give a much more real presentation than the MLTL.
Dynamics are much more important than I had thought in the past. With the horns in my system I spend a lot more time listening to music, not the speakers.
I do have to give TL enclosures some credit though, I've had excellent results with them when using small drivers (103E, 126E, TB 657) they simply outweighed horns with their 'massive' bass, the small drivers kept enough of their dynamic nature to make horn construction unnecessary, IMO anyway.
__________________
Fighting the program since 1976.
  Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2004, 12:49 AM   #4
TC is offline TC  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Pacific NW
Agree with the above posts. Dynamics are simply far better in BLH. And they are unmeasurable or apparently unimportant to the CW, yet easily heard. If you want to choke a driver, do it in a multiway and go back to padded and crossed over drivers and multways.

Sealed does fine (gain simplicity of structure), acknowledging inherent shortcomings and maybe some transient response improvements. But like dynamics, bandwidth in a single driver extends cohesion out of the as-acutely-perceptable areas. The sole goal of these drivers intent is to push bandwidth and dynamics way beyond boxes and attempt to gain on compression drivers for realism (read:beautiful imageing). And in the midrange they certainly do. In the bass, that is an art form Fostex challenges you to come up with. And no sim on the planet will tell you what a BLH is *supposed* to sound like.


If you want ML-tqwt there are better drivers than the ones designed specifically for BLH. The Fostex alnico fullrangers would do better for extension and smoothness, but you loose efficiency (but don't also have to use BSC if done right due to higher driver Q, you'd loose the fficiency but also gain a haze). Tradeoffs, but a logical engineering plan was inherent to these drivers design.

TC
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Vas and TQWT mahleriana Full Range 12 28th November 2007 01:38 PM
tqwt kenneth Multi-Way 1 2nd October 2006 09:51 PM
What is the Q of a (ML)-TQWT, (ML)-TML, etc Elam Full Range 0 18th June 2005 09:56 AM
Looking for help with a TQWT box xbofmnx Multi-Way 8 14th April 2004 09:37 PM
Ml Tqwt masummo Multi-Way 2 12th January 2004 07:54 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:55 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2