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Old 10th December 2004, 02:52 PM   #21
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i believe so, the more of the drivers used, the better
i am familiar with that design, seen the web page

i put one pair in small closed boxes, nothing fency to help the bass, so they are a little bass shy
i replaced original teac two way crapy little speakers on my girlfriend teac mini hifi, amazing improvement ...
volume is set half what it was, no equalized correction engaged....i am just so sorry that i dont have a dozen of these drivers so i could build a serious line array
imagine line array with dozen of drivers each with efficiency over 95 dB
plus subwoofer it would be perfect

we ran quite a few amps off that line array, and we did find one thing a bit troublesome. it wasn't a particularly easy load for some of the lowest wattage no feedback amps due to back emf which multiplies with more drivers.

compromise, compromise, always a compromise! dang!

i must say lack of bass is a compromise that i hate to make...it just bugs me.

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noooo, four and more is infestation
believe me, two cats is the same amount of work as one cat
if you have one cat, you have to keep it bussy, interact with it
if you have two, they pretty much take care of themselves
have you ever observed a litter of kitties?
i love having wolfie want my attention a lot. he is a sweetie. i kiss him on the lips. but i would consider two...two of him would be awesome.
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Old 10th December 2004, 02:54 PM   #22
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whoa that post came out weird. some of my reply is stuck in the quote.
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Old 10th December 2004, 03:28 PM   #23
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you are absolutely right about the compromise, compromise...
speaker design is an art of making right compromises

i have been experimenting with lowthers for years
the bass is always a problem
so i always ended with subwoofer, not an easy task to properly integrate, which i recently solved by having two subwoofers under mains, quasi basszilla

you know what you could do, have a dowfireing woofer on the bottom of your omnidirectional speaker, that way the bass radiates on every side /maybe you would need separate internal enclosures for daytons, maybe not, like in thorsten loeshs magnificat, woofer and fullrange in the same enclosure/
result should be fullbodied speaker
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Old 10th December 2004, 03:34 PM   #24
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you are absolutely right about the compromise, compromise...
speaker design is an art of making right compromises

i have been experimenting with lowthers for years
the bass is always a problem
so i always ended with subwoofer, not an easy task to properly integrate, which i recently solved by having two subwoofers under mains, quasi basszilla


you know what you could do, have a dowfireing woofer on the bottom of your omnidirectional speaker, that way the bass radiates on every side /maybe you would need separate internal enclosures for daytons, maybe not, like in thorsten loeshs magnificat, woofer and fullrange in the same enclosure/
result should be fullbodied speaker
yes two subs is always necessary to even get CLOSE to an intergrated sound! bass non directional? not to my ears...

hehe i put the 4" port on the bottom of the cabinet facing downward, and adjusted the height of the feet so that it develops more low bass due to the floor/port proximity...

anyway this bad boy does NOT lack bass, i had to brace the hell out of it to stop the vibrations hahah and get the box reasonably tuned...
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Blackie,

I checked out your web sites last night. Sent the links along to a few friends. After some discussion we've decided you are the Indian Larry of HiFi.

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Old 10th December 2004, 08:11 PM   #26
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After some discussion we've decided you are the Indian Larry of HiFi.

-Dave

http://www.indianlarry.com/
wow. thanks for that. what a huge compliment.

indulge me for a moment while i talk about larry.

my first experience of IL was 20 yrs ago, seeing him round the corner at houston and ave. d on his chopped indian chief, the one that earned him the name, going impossibly fast.

that scoot was so stripped and mean and well balanced he could do it no hands.

10 yrs ago we started saying hi and chatting on the street and around town. after five yrs we became good friends. we hung out quite a bit and rode together. there's so many stories.

i rolled with him on that laconia trip for discovery channel, you can see me at the beginning of the show watching him rev up that build for the first time. he tweaked the clutch and 10 minutes later we left for laconia. since i had had a somewhat visible rock career in a past life, he sort of leaned on me to help him handle the sudden public exposure. it was his first brush with fame.

he didn't need my help. he had grace in the face of adulation. i am serious, i never met anyone with so much class.

before we left on that run the producer gathered us all together, larry, paul jaffe, and both crews of riders.

"listen up guys. if anyone breaks down on the road other than larry or paul, we are NOT stopping. just keep rolling, the truck will pick them up later. we're on a tight schedule and this show is all about larry and paul, we can't afford any distractions."

larry looked at him like he had 3 heads hahaha.

"listen, no ******* way, if any of my guys breaks down, i'm stopping until we get him rolling again, show or no show. that's NOT the way we ride, never have never will." jaffe was pretty embarassed because he was already agreeing with the producer guy...

we were talking about me doing a build for him in exchange for a bike at the time of his death. i designed it on paper, it was called "rebel without a clue", a joke on his what-do-i-know-i'm-just-doing-what-comes-natural-when-i-wake-up-in-the-morning attitude and his question mark logo, which of couse he designed himself. the build was an audio chopper, i tried to pack it full of performance and style and danger.

last weekend i had breakfast with larry's welder eddie and it appears they still want the build for the shop, which continues in his name.

damn right i'll build it.
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thats pretty great stuff on your website.

I love to see hifi that doesn't look like "hifi"
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Iíve watched a lot of the Discovery bike building shows. Larry stood out. Something about the way he talked that made people want to listen. Same thing with his bikes.

Iím not too surprised you knew him and am glad you can appreciate the analogy.

When you finish the gear for Gasoline Alley, please let us see a few pictures.

Thanks for sharing your experiences too.

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(A long time ago I worked for a Discovery contractor- guess thatís about 12 degrees of separation)
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Iíve watched a lot of the Discovery bike building shows. Larry stood out. Something about the way he talked that made people want to listen. Same thing with his bikes.

When you finish the gear for Gasoline Alley, please let us see a few pictures.

i sure will but it might be a while. i just booked a build today that i am really excited about. a nice dual-mono two chassis SE 300B amp.

i am just starting a guitar amp for a very kool musician name of Pete Francis, who ordered a krazy combo...i'm doing sea-foam tweed lined with fuschia felt, 3 speakers (a 12" a 10" and an 8" haha) and my 40w pp 6550 class a gas regulated circuit...

they are looking in larry's papers for my original drawing but whateva i can start over, i still remember what i had going there...PP 845's driven by 2A3's, mercury vapor regulation, hanging on cables with big line arrays...
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thats pretty great stuff on your website.

I love to see hifi that doesn't look like "hifi"
thankee sir

theres a lotta **** out there. plating makes me feel queasy. i have this beautiful chrome blank chassis a friend gave me. for a while, it was my computer monitor stand. then it got a promotion...its shallow enough to fit under my bike so now it's an oil drain pan.
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