you are absolutely right about the compromise, compromise...
speaker design is an art of making right compromises
i have been experimenting with lowthers for years
the bass is always a problem
so i always ended with subwoofer, not an easy task to properly integrate, which i recently solved by having two subwoofers under mains, quasi basszilla
you know what you could do, have a dowfireing woofer on the bottom of your omnidirectional speaker, that way the bass radiates on every side /maybe you would need separate internal enclosures for daytons, maybe not, like in thorsten loeshs magnificat, woofer and fullrange in the same enclosure/
result should be fullbodied speaker
speaker design is an art of making right compromises
i have been experimenting with lowthers for years
the bass is always a problem
so i always ended with subwoofer, not an easy task to properly integrate, which i recently solved by having two subwoofers under mains, quasi basszilla
you know what you could do, have a dowfireing woofer on the bottom of your omnidirectional speaker, that way the bass radiates on every side /maybe you would need separate internal enclosures for daytons, maybe not, like in thorsten loeshs magnificat, woofer and fullrange in the same enclosure/
result should be fullbodied speaker
adason said:
yes two subs is always necessary to even get CLOSE to an intergrated sound! bass non directional? not to my ears...
hehe i put the 4" port on the bottom of the cabinet facing downward, and adjusted the height of the feet so that it develops more low bass due to the floor/port proximity...
anyway this bad boy does NOT lack bass, i had to brace the hell out of it to stop the vibrations hahah and get the box reasonably tuned...
Blackie,
I checked out your web sites last night. Sent the links along to a few friends. After some discussion we've decided you are the Indian Larry of HiFi.
-Dave
http://www.indianlarry.com/
I checked out your web sites last night. Sent the links along to a few friends. After some discussion we've decided you are the Indian Larry of HiFi.
-Dave
http://www.indianlarry.com/
Da5id4Vz said:
wow. thanks for that. what a huge compliment.
indulge me for a moment while i talk about larry.
my first experience of IL was 20 yrs ago, seeing him round the corner at houston and ave. d on his chopped indian chief, the one that earned him the name, going impossibly fast.
that scoot was so stripped and mean and well balanced he could do it no hands.
10 yrs ago we started saying hi and chatting on the street and around town. after five yrs we became good friends. we hung out quite a bit and rode together. there's so many stories.
i rolled with him on that laconia trip for discovery channel, you can see me at the beginning of the show watching him rev up that build for the first time. he tweaked the clutch and 10 minutes later we left for laconia. since i had had a somewhat visible rock career in a past life, he sort of leaned on me to help him handle the sudden public exposure. it was his first brush with fame.
he didn't need my help. he had grace in the face of adulation. i am serious, i never met anyone with so much class.
before we left on that run the producer gathered us all together, larry, paul jaffe, and both crews of riders.
"listen up guys. if anyone breaks down on the road other than larry or paul, we are NOT stopping. just keep rolling, the truck will pick them up later. we're on a tight schedule and this show is all about larry and paul, we can't afford any distractions."
larry looked at him like he had 3 heads hahaha.
"listen, no ******* way, if any of my guys breaks down, i'm stopping until we get him rolling again, show or no show. that's NOT the way we ride, never have never will." jaffe was pretty embarassed because he was already agreeing with the producer guy...
we were talking about me doing a build for him in exchange for a bike at the time of his death. i designed it on paper, it was called "rebel without a clue", a joke on his what-do-i-know-i'm-just-doing-what-comes-natural-when-i-wake-up-in-the-morning attitude and his question mark logo, which of couse he designed himself. the build was an audio chopper, i tried to pack it full of performance and style and danger.
last weekend i had breakfast with larry's welder eddie and it appears they still want the build for the shop, which continues in his name.
damn right i'll build it.
I’ve watched a lot of the Discovery bike building shows. Larry stood out. Something about the way he talked that made people want to listen. Same thing with his bikes.
I’m not too surprised you knew him and am glad you can appreciate the analogy.
When you finish the gear for Gasoline Alley, please let us see a few pictures.
Thanks for sharing your experiences too.
-Dave
(A long time ago I worked for a Discovery contractor- guess that’s about 12 degrees of separation)
I’m not too surprised you knew him and am glad you can appreciate the analogy.
When you finish the gear for Gasoline Alley, please let us see a few pictures.
Thanks for sharing your experiences too.
-Dave
(A long time ago I worked for a Discovery contractor- guess that’s about 12 degrees of separation)
Da5id4Vz said:
i sure will but it might be a while. i just booked a build today that i am really excited about. a nice dual-mono two chassis SE 300B amp.
i am just starting a guitar amp for a very kool musician name of Pete Francis, who ordered a krazy combo...i'm doing sea-foam tweed lined with fuschia felt, 3 speakers (a 12" a 10" and an 8" haha) and my 40w pp 6550 class a gas regulated circuit...
they are looking in larry's papers for my original drawing but whateva i can start over, i still remember what i had going there...PP 845's driven by 2A3's, mercury vapor regulation, hanging on cables with big line arrays...
What is 13? (Besides lots of cat food)
A good friend once postulated that the number of cats a person keeps is inversely proportionate to their sanity.
We have two. Two humans, two cats. We rationalize that that leaves us at equilibrium.
Dave, Ive wondered if yours are all domesticated or if some of the pride are semi feral?
-Dave
We have two. Two humans, two cats. We rationalize that that leaves us at equilibrium.
Dave, Ive wondered if yours are all domesticated or if some of the pride are semi feral?
-Dave
Da5id4Vz said:
Fred (name inspired by Angel), Francis (named after Drake), Kristina (aka kris-tuna since that is all she eats) never come inside, Ulyses rarely comes in, but the rest do... we live on 4 acres and all the cats spend appreciable time out doors (in the summer we sometimes won't see some of them for a week at a time)
dave
I've two cats... that make me certifiable? Aristotle can open doors by the doorknob and Kitty just eats a lot. He named himself, since he didn't answer to his given name only Kitty.
Why am I writing this? I must be insane.
Oh, why cardboard? What if someone sets a drink on it... it'll leave a mark.
Why am I writing this? I must be insane.
Oh, why cardboard? What if someone sets a drink on it... it'll leave a mark.
ERICSPEEd said:
i'm really glad you asked that question.
i went to see this show:
http://guggenheim.org/exhibitions/singular_forms/flash.html
with this person, for whom i built the speakers:
http://www.mkgallery.com/artists/colman/colman.html
and my brain started to spin.
i am a huge fan of minimalism, especially 1980's new york minimalism, and the statement these artists were making by rejecting intricate imagery and color and traditional "art" materials and frames for reduced forms, latex paint, wallboard, styrofoam, concrete, flourescent fixtures, dirt and open spaces or whole rooms, and art you were allowed to take or write on or otherwise alter.
we chuckled through the whole show. this was deep shiz, and funny, and it made us happy to see it. also it made me think about the art of audio building and the selling of audio and art and why it looks the way it does and all the assumed definitions and chosen limits. not to mention the hype and hyperbole.
now, my friend rich is a slob. his paintings are often done on crumpled grocery bags or paper he finds laying around in the trash can or on gallery walls. he's a rising art star. those paintings are valuable. they are full of dirty, animal content, and they are honest, and they are well worth the dough.
and i knew rich would put his drink and his cigarettes on these. probably splash paint on 'em too.
but of course i don't care because i've seen tons and tons of expensive gear with thin gold plating and veneers pretending that it isn't disposable and fashion driven.
and i KNEW he'd get it.
Blackie,
Can you tell us about the bracing?
Are the drivers connected directly to the skins or do the mount to the braces?
Dave:
Did you adopt all the cats or did some come and get you?
Mine are restricted to the indoors. There are too many self involved and reckless drivers in our area.
A good friend just adapted these littermates from LA animal rescue. They were found lost or abandoned when less than 24 hours old. At 12 weeks, they are doing great:
Can you tell us about the bracing?
Are the drivers connected directly to the skins or do the mount to the braces?
Dave:
Did you adopt all the cats or did some come and get you?
Mine are restricted to the indoors. There are too many self involved and reckless drivers in our area.
A good friend just adapted these littermates from LA animal rescue. They were found lost or abandoned when less than 24 hours old. At 12 weeks, they are doing great:
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Da5id4Vz said:
Kandi (the chocolate rocket -- a tiny little burmese) adopted us... someone must have just tossed her out the car. She will only go near my wife -- she'll actually cling to her and help her "type" on the computer.
Patricia, Lolitta, Beetle Bailey are all cats we got. Hannibal, Uly are offspring we decided to keep on our own. The rest, Finneous, Penelope, Fiona are cats we ended up with during the process of getting Cloe fixed (Lolita didn't like that we gave her 1st batch of kittens away so we never saw her 2nd batch (Cleo & Chloe -- Cleo died in childbirth). (makes the count now at 12 actually). Max, Ariel, Lily all left or met untimely ends (like Eagle Cougar or Racoon). Ezelkial Spynoch (2nd Pope of the Left-Hand Orthodox Church) was with us 2 years, went away for 3 years and came back on Thankgiving nite to spend his last year with us before dying of old age.
dave
Da5id4Vz said:
braces are made of some alder lath i had lying around, 1.5" x .5", i glued 2 pieces to each inside face with silicone II adhesive/sealer.
drivers are bolted directly to the cardboard, which is super-thick 600lb/sq inch 2 ply corrugated.
boxes were selaed all over the place with silicone II, and the black goop is some spray-on autosound panel deadener which i had leftover from putting a system in my car. whew that's another story!
here's a coupla more revealing pics:
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
note chicken grease stain.
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