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Old 5th September 2017, 08:30 AM   #11
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The comment about Pink Floyd remided me of listening to Dark Side of the Moon coming from the back deck at a diyFEST a couple years ago. Really quite amazing bottom. And even more amazing when one considers it was coming from a 4” EL70 driver in a compact floorstander.

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The EL70 is long gone but the new Mark Audio Pluvia 7 has pretty much fit into every EL70 box we have looked at which should give it similar bass. Efficincy is a bit higher than what i am currently listing to driven by the ACA (and this in a big room), your description of listening habits seem much like mine, so it might be considered a contender. It has the voicing of the Alpair 7x but isn’t quite as capable wrt reproducing small details. And it is relatively cheap. I’ve linked a UK source (keep in mind you won’t have to pay UK VAT), but shipping direct from Hong Kong might make that cheaper. There are a ton of EL70 box designs out there and Scott & i are happy to check fitment of the P7 in them.

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Old 5th September 2017, 08:57 AM   #12
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Interesting that you have not mentioned the FH MK3 yet Dave. As far as I can remember the Pluvia 7 is also a good fit for the MK3 right? Any idea how the MK3 will compare to the enclosures you mentioned above. The Pluvia also seems very good value for money.
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Old 5th September 2017, 10:00 AM   #13
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Thanks Perceval and Dave. We're making progress. I'm pretty sure that very good contenders were already mentioned for the top of my list.

Interestingly, I had a listen to Jerry's (twocents) 0.4x Karlsonators with IIRC Peerless (Tymphany) TC9FD18-08 3.5"drivers on Sunday. They were very impressive for their size, and that is why I'm considering the 0.53x Karlsonators with Dayton Audio PA130-8 drivers. However, spectacular as they were, the 0.4x Karlsonators didn't come close to Jerry's Tannoy speakers. I should've asked which model the Tannoys are.
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Old 5th September 2017, 12:42 PM   #14
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...And if using a high efficiency driver like the 3FE22, they would be plenty loud, with your little ACA.
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Since you've mentioned the FaitalPro 3FE22, what is your experience with the brand? How do they compare to the other preferred brands, like Dayton, AN, etc? If your answer is positive, it will be first prize because we have a local agent for FaitalPro.

Second question: Why did you suggest a 3" driver and not 4" or 5"? I'm just trying to understand, being a beginner and not having built any DIY audio stuff before.

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Old 5th September 2017, 02:23 PM   #15
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Hello Christo,

I heard a Faital driver a long time ago, and only a short while. Many over here consider it to be a fine driver, and it has very reasonable FR, a good extension and higher sensitivity than most 3" out there.

You can't go wrong with it, especially if you have a local distributor.

The 3FE22 has the best FR of their smaller range (and especially the 8 Ohms) and it matches the driver's parameters needed for a TABAQ build. They have the 4FE32, but it's not as well behaved.

A 3" driver, or 4" will offer a better higher extension than 5" to 8" in most cases (but as with everything, not always!)

They will also start beaming at higher frequencies than bigger drivers. Think of it in term of light. Smaller drivers with diffuse the light over a larger area, but bigger drivers will concentrate the higher frequencies into a narrower "beam" of sound... meaning that you will lose the higher frequencies faster when you are not looking at the driver directly.

I actually have a Tang Bang 4" driver in my TABAQs. They dig a little deeper than their 3" version and I get good bass down to 45Hz, and still some with room gain down to 35Hz, but on the upper range, they will die down after 15kHz... which is fine for me as my ears don't hear past that.

I mentioned them because they are crazy easy to build, will give you a huge grin when you realize how deep they can go....

In the thread, there are version for the 3 or 4" drivers, and another for 5 or 6" drivers as well, called the TABAQ Large.

Here's a review of the commercial 3" version of the TABAQs:
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And since we are showboating, here are mine:

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Old 5th September 2017, 02:47 PM   #16
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Mark Audio Alpair 10.x or Pluvia 11 drivers in Pensil, FH-XL, or MLTL cabinets (multiple MLTL designs exist: Jim Griffin, Bob Brines, or Large Tabaq) can be an option. Drivers would be pricier vs what you initially had in mind. I have heard the Alpairs, but no experience with the Pluvia 11. Btw the Alpair 10P top might sound a bit soft to some, whereas the Alpair 10.3 metal is well extended in the treble range.

What brands do you have locally available?

Edit: Noticed that you have Faital available from a local agent. There are good testimonials for certain models and they are also quite efficient. Local availability is a big plus. You save on shipping costs, also do away with other uncertainties.

The TABAQ design that Perceval mentions is a popular one with many satisfied builders. And isn't Perceval's stone-clad pair gorgeous?

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Thanks Jeff. I will certainly check out the TABAQ thread. Yes, the fact that we have a local distributor for Faital will most certainly influence my final decision.

Btw, your's look really good.
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Thank you for the ideas Zman01.

As far as I know, only Faital and Visaton are available locally. I have just found out about Faital today and I'm heavily leaning towards using that now. And the prices are really low too.

My quest now will turn towards what will be the best cabinet design for 3" or 4" Faitals.. Unless, of course, if someone convinces me that I'm on the wrong track.

Let the ideas keep coming, please.
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The TABAQ design that Perceval mentions is a popular one with many satisfied builders. And isn't Perceval's stone-clad pair gorgeous?
Thank you very much.
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Interesting that you have not mentioned the FH MK3 yet Dave. As far as I can remember the Pluvia 7 is also a good fit for the MK3 right? Any idea how the MK3 will compare to the enclosures you mentioned above. The Pluvia also seems very good value for money.
The FH3 is indeed near the top of the many choices for the P7. And its veratility means that drivers can be upgraded/changed at a later date (even simple supraBaffle recommended for that)

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