full range (open baffle)

[ThorstenL]

Konnichiwa,

Originally posted by then_dude
why do i limit myself ?

well i don't, ebay does it for me,

Try the readily available Ciare 10" or Beyma 8" Dual Cone Drivers already discussed in thishere place. The cost is sufficiently low (and much below E-Gay for Goodmans Axiom - I guess I hyped them too hard) to just consider it "Course Money".....

Sayonara

[then_dude]

the ciare has a nasty bump at 3 and 5khz,

and the goodmans, saba, telefunken don't cost as much as an ciare, so that isn't the problem,, ,i have thought about the ciare though, but if i can find a driver that goes flat from 100hz until 10khz then i would be better, don't you think

btw: i buy always on the germain ebay, in belgium you can't find anything decent. if i don't find my gear i will eventually buy a chiare, we 'll see,

[Nuuk]

the ciare has a nasty bump at 3 and 5khz

It would be interesting to hear Norbert's comments on how this translates in practice.

If you can wait/search a bit longer, then I would still say look at the 201/301.

BTW, I have just included a small sub in my system while I wait to get a dipole bass system and the results are stunning.

I heard a pair of rebuilt ESL's recently in a top-class system but at the risk of offending the owner I would say that my OB's sound better.

[Rudolf]

the ciare has a nasty bump at 3 and 5khz,

Hey then_dude,

are you refering to the SPL graph at spectrumaudio.de or do you have access to independent measurements showing the same peaks? If so, please share your knowledge with me

If your statement only relies on the SPL graphs on that site, you wouldn´t buy neither the Supravox HP215RFT Signature Bicone nor the Fertin FLB20D40SMK2. Both belong to the top category of fullrange drivers available.

I believe that the experience of same knowledgible users of this forum is a better guideline sometimes than the hunt for rulerlike SPL graphs on axis

Rudolf

[Anne]

Try the readily available Ciare 10" or Beyma 8" Dual Cone Drivers already discussed in thishere place.

Have you heard the Beyma 8AG/N? How would this driver compare to monacor sp200x or visaton bg20?

The last two I can pick up locally. Combined with a motorola piezo, it would make a very cheap 'bedroom' system. Problem with beyma is very high fres, wich would require a subwoofer even in a small room. Since I have a dsp, I could equalize for dipole rollof with visaton or monacor.

Ciare looks very extended, and has very nice parameters for open baffle. probaly the best choice?

[then_dude]

Originally posted by Rudolf


Hey then_dude,

are you refering to the SPL graph at spectrumaudio.de or do you have access to independent measurements showing the same peaks? If so, please share your knowledge with me

If your statement only relies on the SPL graphs on that site, you wouldn´t buy neither the Supravox HP215RFT Signature Bicone nor the Fertin FLB20D40SMK2. Both belong to the top category of fullrange drivers available.

I believe that the experience of same knowledgible users of this forum is a better guideline sometimes than the hunt for rulerlike SPL graphs on axis

Rudolf

hello rudolf, no i have only looked at the graph, offcourse the flatttter is better, but indeed, a lot of good drives have some bumps in there range. But if you look at a coral which is flat within 2db for 100 to 10000hz, that isn't bad either.
enfin, we"ll see, i'm on the search

at this moment i have found the saba 9" which would has the bump at 7khz,,,(somebody said this on the forum), and some goodmans, if they don't cost an arm and a leg,,, il buy them,
and let you know how it works out
bye