A Subjective Blind Comparison of 3in to 5in Full Range Drivers

[irribeo]

Rather than being fake or clone, it is just a separate company called Peerless. They aren't trying to fool anyone. My experience of them has been that they make their own products and none of them are trying to emulate any products that Peerless/Tymphany actually produce.

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  Don't be fooled by Peerless driver knockoffs from India. Tymphany is the official manufacturer of Peerless – search catalog and locate authorized distributors.
  
  
  

 

[linuxguru]

India has a "fake/clone" Peerless, maybe they switched name to Tymphany too LOL but interested in a weblink.

They're the real deal from Tymphany (China) - here are the specs:

Tymphany TYPY03W06O0111 3-1/2" Full Range Driver

The T/S parameters of the 6-ohm drivers I obtained were measured by a Hifivision.com forum member in India and were very close (within 5-10%) to the published T/S params at the Parts Express link above.

And here's a dual-driver TABAQ that I assembled with the 12-ohm drivers:

An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.

 

[xrk971]

Thanks Linuxguru for sending me a pair to test. The 3.5in full range from Peerless/Scanspeak/Vifa/Tymphany share some DNA I am sure. They are all very smooth and flat response with not too big of breakup peaks. They all have same driver cutout and bolt hole diameter so are all drop in replacement size wise. The 10F uses a very powerful Nd magnet - you can't place it closer than 5in to another driver on a table - it will fly away due to mag repulsion. The woven fiberglass cone on 10F and TG9FD and Typhany black Kevlar all look very similar. Only the 10F is a cast frame though. I will be interesting to see how these stack up to TC9 and TG9.

 

[Godzilla]

Box shipped out today with the following:

Tangband W4-1320
Tangband Breitbandlautsprecher W4-1320SC



Radio Shack 40-1197
Radio Shack 40-1197 (FE103) Fullrange Speaker Driver



NSB - No Stinkin Badges
Case 32 Drivers Parts Express NSB "No Stinking Badges" Speakers Never Used | eBay



69 Cent Wonders
pa-speaker

269-469BR.jpg Photo by mhardy6647 | Photobucket


Additionally, I’m sending a few other drivers I have lying around even tho they are not 4” drivers.

Eminence 12LTA
Tangband 1808
Fostex 168z
Jordan 92
Alpair 7.3
Alpair 10p
Audio Nirvana Super 12
Audio Nirvana Super 15
Voxativ 8”
Feastrex 5”
Lowther PM2A
Seas Exotic

I hope this will aid the DIY community in their purchasing decisions.

Godzilla

PS. Everything after the word “Additionally” is just a nasty lie.

 

[BYRTT]

Holy cow thanks Godzilla 1320 in datasheet is serious stuff, if we continue this route all compass in world will point to Virginia 😀.

 

[freddi]

hey Zilla - throw in your pair of Feastrex too 😀 - btw, just looked at a Faital 4fe32 on a Bruce Edgar rectangular 250Hz tractrix - didn't have any ScotchBrite to make a de-Q- ing gasket - don't think its a horn loader - the old alnico JBL LE5 was very good on that type horn

 

[xrk971]

Freddi,
I made the Trynergy based on idea behind Bruce Edgar's horn with LE5. I am using Faital Pro 3FE22 and it sounds great on a rectangular tractrix.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/261427-presenting-trynergy-full-range-tractrix-synergy.html

 

[xrk971]

Box shipped out today with the following:

Tangband W4-1320
Tangband Breitbandlautsprecher W4-1320SC



Radio Shack 40-1197
Radio Shack 40-1197 (FE103) Fullrange Speaker Driver



NSB - No Stinkin Badges
Case 32 Drivers Parts Express NSB "No Stinking Badges" Speakers Never Used | eBay



69 Cent Wonders
pa-speaker

269-469BR.jpg Photo by mhardy6647 | Photobucket


Additionally, I’m sending a few other drivers I have lying around even tho they are not 4” drivers.

Eminence 12LTA
Tangband 1808
Fostex 168z
Jordan 92
Alpair 7.3
Alpair 10p
Audio Nirvana Super 12
Audio Nirvana Super 15
Voxativ 8”
Feastrex 5”
Lowther PM2A
Seas Exotic

I hope this will aid the DIY community in their purchasing decisions.

Godzilla

PS. Everything after the word “Additionally” is just a nasty lie.

Godzilla,
Thank you for the donations of a treasure trove of drivers. I am looking forward to the Feastrex. 🙂

But I think we will all wonder how everyone picked the NSB's in the blind test. 😀

 

[freddi]

hi XRK971 - I should have qualified that statement - I think a de-Q-ing method described by Dr. Bruce Edgar in his Speaker Builder series examining midrange horn behavior using 4-small spacers and four strips of ScotchDrite as a leaky gasket will remove some bottom and perhaps tilt the spectrum flatter in the highs for this particular horn.

there is no back chamber as none was required with the alnico LE5

I'll have to order a pad and look for spacers - it could probably be done in a pinch with cardboard "washers"
and paper towel strips rolled for the gasket

the response is usable as-is - look at the HF peak - I'll try to space the driver a bit and make another trace

 

[freddi]

here's what the introduction of a small gap between the driver and throat does - its a very small gap due to the protrusion of 4FE32's gasket- not sure how I'd treat the ~8.8KHz peak. wonder if this combo is hot enough to run passive in a fake La Scala (?)

 

[freddi]

and at 1/24 octave, on the same 250Hz rectangular tractrix horn, a slightly gapped 4fe32 compared to chn70 with no gap. From this perspective they're around 10-15dB louder in the mids than a TC9FD on a mini Karlsonator.

there's a lot of reflective objects so this is just a rough level comparison. A gap with chn70, different horn
for either could help make something useful.

1/12 octave comparison

 

[xrk971]

here's what the introduction of a small gap between the driver and throat does - its a very small gap due to the protrusion of 4FE32's gasket- not sure how I'd treat the ~8.8KHz peak. wonder if this combo is hot enough to run passive in a fake La Scala (?)

Here is the response of the 3FE22 in my Trynergy full range tractrix (grey is no EQ) - I don't have the massive 10kHz peak. There is a damped rear chamber in my case. I tried the scotchbrite pad and did not find a huge difference:

 

[freddi]

3FE22 is very well behaved even with no EQ - that Edgarhorn250 has ~11"x18.5" mouth with 13" path back to a 2.5"x2.5" throat - no back chamber-what size is your midhorn ? maybe 3FE22 is just better behaved than 4FE32-?

 

[xrk971]

Freddi,
I think the 4FE32 may have a stronger breakup mode since the cone is larger. I did not realize it was that big though. I recall the 4FE35 that Buildmesonething was using for his OB had a big ringing that needed to be EQ'd out. It may turn out that the 3FE22 is the more preferable driver to go with from a smoothness standpoint. As we have seen in this thread, it is up there as one of the top two favorites, and for good reason. I wonder how much smoother the Trynergy would be if I used the 10F/8424?

 

[xrk971]

and at 1/24 octave, on the same 250Hz rectangular tractrix horn, a slightly gapped 4fe32 compared to chn70 with no gap. From this perspective they're around 10-15dB louder in the mids than a TC9FD on a mini Karlsonator.

there's a lot of reflective objects so this is just a rough level comparison. A gap with chn70, different horn
for either could help make something useful.

1/12 octave comparison

The characteristic 600Hz and 7kHz deep notches representing the edges of the reaponse plateau on the CHN70 are still present and maybe even more pronounced in a tractrix. This is getting kind of off topic though and we should probably continue in the Trynergy thread.

 

[freddi]

here's a cheap car 4" fullrange - a Boss BRS40 - not sure how it will sound - its polycone with a plastic whizzer - for $8 it should be an ok value other than a foam surround - one can see its weaker motor LF rolloff vs CHN70 on this styrofoam baffle

 

[BYRTT]

B80

while waiting for take 2 round here a status B80 where 3 weeks ago package unfortunately was destroyed just before begin transport, dealer expect new stock end next week and then probably a little week for final transport.

Personally have difficult to maintain an overview of how many drives are on the way to xrk971 and which ones will be included take 2, look forward their data and have a comparison listening those under transport and those seen below we know are already there FF105WK, PLS-P830986, 10F/8424G00, TG9FD10-08.

Picture linked from #444.

 

[xrk971]

while waiting for take 2 round here a status B80 where 3 weeks ago package unfortunately was destroyed just before begin transport, dealer expect new stock end next week and then probably a little week for final transport.

Personally have difficult to maintain an overview of how many drives are on the way to xrk971 and which ones will be included take 2, look forward their data and have a comparison listening those under transport and those seen below we know are already there FF105WK, PLS-P830986, 10F/8424G00, TG9FD10-08.

Picture linked from #444.

The drivers are stacking up, here is the current set of drivers with the addition of four more which arrived today from Godzilla. Thanks Godzilla! I will get them back to you once testing is completed.

The 4 that came today are:

1. Tang Band W4-1320SB (Nd magnet, paper cone, phase plug)
2. Radio Shack 40-1197 (FE103 copy)
3. NSB (no stinkin' badges)
4. 69 cent wonders

The drivers for round 2 that have arrived so far are pictured below, clockwise from top: W4-1320SB, TG9FD10-8, 10F/8424G00, Peerless 830986, 69 cent wonders, NSB, FF105WK.

Not pictured but in transit: Visaton B80, Peerless black Kevlar "TG9", surprise entry.

That makes 11 total drivers for round 2... kind of a lot so we will do this in two rounds, each lasting a week. Or should we put all of them up and folks can do their own tournament at home or however they like to listen and judge for themselves?

 

[xrk971]

Update on Round 2

I just finished recording all the tracks for the drivers that are here. So still missing the B80, the black Kevlar "TG9" (need to come up with a name for this driver), and the "surprise" super secret entry of my choice.

 

[5th element]

Ooo a surprise!