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Old 7th June 2014, 11:51 PM   #1
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Default what is the next step-up from a Pencil ?

Having (built and) heard the Alpair 10.3 in the standard Pencil enclosure I don't find very much to complain about - very nice speakers. It got me wondering, if I wanted to build again, would I build another pair of Pencils - or is there a step-up to this enclosure ?

Would there be benefit in a BVR ? - what about Scott's Silbury ?

Or is the Pencil as good as it gets ?
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Silbury is probably better, haven't heard it.FHxl is better than Pensil, we do have both of those.

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If I've only learned one thing in over 40yrs in this hobby - and marriage - it's that nothing is as good as it can get
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Old 8th June 2014, 03:08 AM   #4
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wise words !

Dave - in what regards might Silbury be better in your opinion, and in what regards is FHxl better in your experience ?
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Any comment on Silbury would be a guess. Same designer for all 3 loudspeakers.

FHxl vrs Pensil... FHxl is more nuanced.

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Old 8th June 2014, 02:54 PM   #6
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If you're looking for trouble and adventure, I think a BiB is usually worth trying. They don't take up much floor space (though you might have to pull them -out- of the corners somewhat to maximize imaging, if you like imaging). I love how they put so much sound on the ceiling (if you don't like this, you just sit closer or reposition the cabinets).
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If you have not heard a Karlsonator before - find someone who has one and listen. They have a big wide sound with very satisfying bass so no BSC is needed. If size is not an issue go with a full scale Karlsonator 12 or a smaller 8 inch version. The polar dispersion on a Karlsonator is very uniform and it has cry good transient response. Let me know what driver you are interested in and I can get you a sim for the right scaled box. An under-utilized driver that works well is the Dayton PS220-8 which is now reduced to $90.
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Unfortunately (or not) I simply can't live with the shape/size of the Karlson cabinet, they're just too weird looking for me and the grill cloth isn't what I'm looking for as I don't want to hide my drivers. It may be a good technical solution but they're not for me!

Pitty that the Silbury is so rare that there are no reviews or comparisons as I like this more - mind you it's a big beast.

The BiB is big too I guess ! - isn't the Bib a kind of huge Pencil ?
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If I've only learned one thing in over 40yrs in this hobby - and marriage - it's that nothing is as good as it can get
Ancillary to that astute observation is:
Regardless of what one has, or has achieved there is Always something/one better.
IMO wisdom lies in knowing when to stop :-)
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or to paraphrase from some recent TV watching
"no matter what you can imagine, there's always someone / thing much worse ..."

but to the original question of alternatives to Pensil - I'd guess any supposition should first be qualified as to "for what type of application, exactly?" , and of course, regardless of the answer there, try to find consensus on a "universal improvement"

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and, no, while they both rely on 1/4 wave operation, the BIB is not a kind of huge Pensil - i.e the former is a chamberless horn, and the latter is an MLTL
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