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Old 18th April 2013, 05:40 PM   #1
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Default DIY Speakers similar to Visaton VOX80

I need a pair of speakers for video editing - albeit other things as well. Before you start throwing the top quality kits out, I am on a tight budget and more so, I want a pair of speakers that isn't excessively large for my current setup - the future holds a great pair of monitors - but that is the future once this career starts paying off.

I asked a local speaker designer and he suggested an enclosure around the Visaton FRS8 drivers. It should be fine, but in my search through images about possibilities of using a smaller or taller enclosure, I discovered Visaton actually have speakers and speaker kits and Speaker enclosure designs - man this is cool.

I like the VOX80 kit since it is small and narrow and will likely buy a kit and build them, however something bother me about them - apart from the fact that I have to import a kit (the electronic bits and driver pieces):
- The port is in the rear
- The tweeter needs to be glued

I suppose the latter isn't really a problem if you use proper glue - well actually I assumed there is no cradle option since I am referring to a nice build thread of someone building a pair and using a front face plate to hold the tweeter in place that covers a large portion of the face of the speaker. Here I rather like what he did and it suits me - part of my speaker need is something that also looks nice - something that someone might ask "What brand of speakers are those and where do you get them"

The port bit is more of a concern since I want the ability to push them right up against a wall on my desk or very close, although this isn't to my understanding ideal for any speaker, but then my room isn't ideal, the placement of the desk isn't ideal etc etc etc. But I still think with a rear port it will make a difference especially if the port can be to the front - which I have inquired from Visaton.

In the meantime, considering the Vox80, what other kits or designs are out there which fall close to the Vox.
- It doesn't have to be multi-way
- As small as possible but with good presence (The Visaton Nano SAT is just too small to my liking) - meaning small desk footprint
- Can be placed close to a wall at the rear

The reason I want to build some speakers is because none of these 2.1 PC speakers from Sound Blaster et al is to my liking mainly cause they have a third enclosure which is the woofer. The 2.0 setups is just silly. The PC market speakers just seem to plastic - which they probably are.

I can see that I'll probably end up with the Vox80 setup, but hope there might be some other kit or design that someone can recommend that comes in at around the same price point - for the kit, not the wood and cutting list etc.

The main thing about the kit is that driver selection is narrow in South Africa - unless you are in the right city and know a little shop - I base my searches of the web and what I can get from RS-Components - which don't include all the drivers for the VOX80 so I'll have to import a kit anyway. Which ever other build you can recommend, being able to get all the parts needed, at least in terms of drivers and driver accessories is essential to keep shipping costs low. That or I'll have to see about asking a guy I know in Oxford (England) about possibly buying a kit for me and mailing it. Might know someone in the USA as well.

Long winded, but I thank you for the advise.

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Old 18th April 2013, 06:30 PM   #2
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P.S. Being practical for the moment, how would these VOX80's compare to the Tho net&Vander Which speakers? Merely looking at the price point as well as the fact I can get them easily where I live, I want your opinion. Thanks again.

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Old 18th April 2013, 06:55 PM   #3
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Id recommend one of the 'Cheap Trick' kits.

like this:

CT 246

or

Loudspeaker Kit CT 241 by Klang+Ton

Many kits on the site I linked. RS doesnt really stock a lot of speakers. I dont like the Vox80 very much (cant explain quite why, its perhaps just me)

(Caveat: I havent heard any of the kits, but I have some of the drivers they use)
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Old 19th April 2013, 03:59 AM   #4
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That CT 241 looks nice. The BR tube will be at the back though. Perhaps you can put it at the bottom and lift your speakers a bit.
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Old 19th April 2013, 08:00 AM   #5
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I would go with a bookshelf (4 in wide x 10 in deep x 13 in tall) folded MLTL using a Vifa TC9FD if you can get that driver where you are. Mount the port so that it is on same side as driver. I have made this out of cardboard/foam core and it sounds fantastic. Wood would look and sound even better.
Fostex Fe83en the right small box? Cost of Vifa is only $12 ea and only need one per speaker. No tweeter or crossover needed.
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Old 24th April 2013, 07:29 PM   #6
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I did some more digging after a easy solution turned to mush.

My needs are as small footprint as possible.
Neutral sound since these are for reference.
Be used in near-field setup.
Stereo speakers.

I still like the VOX80 purely on looks and I think I'll build them in the future for fun, BUT, I found some intriguing designs which all fall in the same footprint really. I was also interested in the HiWave HiBM65c20F drivers cause they go in such small enclosures and have little to none directional sound which could be nice for near field use, but I'm afraid I'll end up with too much of a "cosmopolitan audio" sound - if that makes sense.
Cosmopolitan Sound: The kinda sound that looks good cause the drivers and enclosure (or system) looks better than it sound - not that it sounds bad! Kind of designer speaker for the iPhone kinda thing to show off more than listen to.

Back on topic:

The 'Emoticons' by John Richards.
http://gonecatfishin.net/Emoticons.pdf

The "implementation of John "Zaph" Kutke's W3-871S design" speakers.
Design of Zaph's W3-871S Fullrange Monitors

And Wolf's 'Sophomores'.
“Sophomores” writeup.... - Blogs - Techtalk Speaker Building, Audio, Video Discussion Forum

All three designs looks good, very simple, small, and from the descriptions, sounds like what I am looking for - I'll probably go with the one with apparent more bass - based on reading really. I haven't looked at driver price yet but I already know from searches and seeing on a local forum, I'll have to import what I need - unless I go with a basic enclosure design using ONLY a Visaton FRS8-8 (or -4) - but I'd rather go with a design by those in the know than trying my own thing especially with stuff like "notch" filters, which is...yeah. Again, footprint and I have NO idea how these speakers really sound - no matter which I choose they'll probably blow my socks off cause my only other reference for speakers are 3 way floor-standing units of a friends' and some Sound Blaster 370 2.1 speakers - which sounded fine but it just ins't something I want to pay for.

I think all in all it'll come down to pricing which will include shipping costs considerations. I do kind of like the Wolf design for the simplicity and the driver really looks nice. The Sophomores have a nice mid. The Emoticons have a nice Tweeter. See, really from were I am sitting, this will be a on-paper, opinion, and looks decision, jumbled together with pricing on components and shipping.

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Old 24th April 2013, 07:31 PM   #7
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I would go with a bookshelf (4 in wide x 10 in deep x 13 in tall) folded MLTL using a Vifa TC9FD if you can get that driver where you are. Mount the port so that it is on same side as driver. I have made this out of cardboard/foam core and it sounds fantastic. Wood would look and sound even better.
Fostex Fe83en the right small box? Cost of Vifa is only $12 ea and only need one per speaker. No tweeter or crossover needed.
Oh yes, xrk971, these look very interesting, although they are 10 inches deep. This is also on my short-list.
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I like the Sophmores. Zaphs site is ok too. The TB 871 is good value. I just dont like the Vox80 much, they have far better drivers and kits, and the cheaptrick stuff is incredible value. I really dont think the TB W3s will compete for bass with a dedicated woofer like the W100S8 though. BSC will be even more important with such a narrow baffle.
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There's always these, just build your cabinet to the same external width, with the drivers in the same layout with respect to the top and sides of the cabinet and you should be good to go. In other words you can increase the height as much as you want and you could also port them if you desire.

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The RS series of drivers are amazing value for money given their performance and I'd expect them to give far better sound than the vox80.
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+1 to that. I particularly like the wallmount filter option which could be especially useful for such an AV application.
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