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Old 18th April 2013, 07:35 PM   #11
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What do you mean with "f3 of arround 80hz"
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Old 18th April 2013, 08:09 PM   #12
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He means the bass rolls off right around 80hz. Fairly universal goal for home theatre.
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Old 19th April 2013, 05:03 AM   #13
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The Ciare HX series fullrange units have, from what I read, better off-axis performance than most FR drivers. Meaning they would be more pleasant if you have multiple people watching the movie.
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Old 19th April 2013, 05:21 AM   #14
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I would also seriously consider a good pro level coaxial driver for this application.
This Beyma (an excellent brand) will work well in small enclosures (when combined with your sub for everything below 100 hz or so), it will be PLENTY loud enough for movies (and can take a beating unlike amny frail FR units) yet still musical:

http://profesional.beyma.com/pdf/5CX200NDNE.pdf (this one has excellent off-axis performance !)
http://profesional.beyma.com/ingles/pdf/6CX200NDN.pdf
http://profesional.beyma.com/ingles/pdf/8CX300NDN.pdf

And use the same speaker for all channels, no headaches of differing tonality then.
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Old 19th April 2013, 11:04 AM   #16
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The Ciare HX series fullrange units have, from what I read, better off-axis performance than most FR drivers
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Old 19th April 2013, 04:11 PM   #17
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for example: http://www.spectrumaudio.de/breit/tabelle.htm
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Old 19th April 2013, 04:44 PM   #18
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the Beyma seem good but the price is above my budget, i should avoid them :-(
so remains:
-Mark Audio drivers (cheap but may be fragile)
-Ciare HX drivers (afordable)
-BMR or flatcones (but didn't find anything on that, do you have a link with prices?)

i read also yesteday on another forum, that one of the disadvantage of the FR speakers are the low and high frequencies. the medium is wonderful but there is a lack in the bass and the tweeter does not seem sufficient.

do you have the same feeling?
i would really like listen my music without the HC Subwoofer, just with my 2 front speakers
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Old 19th April 2013, 05:51 PM   #19
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the Beyma seem good but the price is above my budget, i should avoid them :-(
so remains:
-Mark Audio drivers (cheap but may be fragile)
-Ciare HX drivers (afordable)
-BMR or flatcones (but didn't find anything on that, do you have a link with prices?)

i read also yesteday on another forum, that one of the disadvantage of the FR speakers are the low and high frequencies. the medium is wonderful but there is a lack in the bass and the tweeter does not seem sufficient.

do you have the same feeling?
i would really like listen my music without the HC Subwoofer, just with my 2 front speakers

Since this thread is titled "for Homecinema purposes", it's probably assumed that multichannel signal processing of some sort will be involved that would include full bass management and the flexibility to tailor XO frequencies for all channels and the use of separate (sub) woofer(s). Unless using very small "full-range" drivers incapable of performance into the circa 100 Hz range where XO is often dialed in, I'd opine that "lack of bass" is not an issue.
In other words, "HC" without subwoofer is, I think, an oxymoron.

Regarding "insufficient HF performance", if I was in an argumentative mood, I'd pursue that even more strenuously .

To expand on my first post, requirements / constraints for every system are different. In small to moderate sized rooms, and at listening levels 10-15dB below the insane "reference" levels that I've heard in showrooms and theatres, FR drivers can work very well for this application indeed. My own (5.1) system, certainly modest by some standards, is in 320ft^2 (29M^2) room, and uses Alpair7s in the front row, with A6Ms as rear surrounds, 2 dual driver corner mounted woofers, with XOs at 110 &120Hz. The maximum SPL that I've measured at listening position of 10ft from front row was 98dB, but generally things are well under 90. I don't want or need more - but of course YMMV.
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Old 19th April 2013, 06:05 PM   #20
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98db Chris! That's only 7db off of reference. Granted, 7db isn't easy to achieve, but that's still very impressive for Alpair7s. I assume that was a scene where all channels were driven? So the cumulative effect of all channels makes that a little less impressive. Pretty good though really. Amazing what crossing to subwoofers can do eh.
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