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Old 23rd January 2013, 06:22 AM   #1
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This was originally in the Foam Core thread but I thought it was of more general interest to the Full-Range forum.

I ran across these Specimen back loaded horn speakers that resemble the old style gramophones player horns. They make them out of recycled newspaper and glue mixed with dryer lint for a matrix. Instead of newspaper foam core is perfect for this, and instead of glue and lint, hot melt.

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This looks very interesting and would be a unique conversation piece more than anything. The bent shape of the 8 petals is critical to making the horn bend forward like that.

This may be one of my next projects. Has anyone here listened to one of these in person? They are in Chicago area. Alright, who's in on this one with me? We need to develop those patterns. You can see the one photo where they are hung out like laundry. There are 4 unique shapes. These would be ideal to make out of foam core as it can be curved at will.

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Old 25th January 2013, 12:30 AM   #2
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OK, it's been a few days since I posted this - so no interest from anyone in building these to see what they sound like? A simpler horn can be made using 4 walls of curved foam core. I am also thinking of this as a good opportunity to try multiple lengths of horns to see if it can smooth the response.
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Hi,

They are awful, pretentious artifice, AFAICT.

rgds, sreten.

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Sreten.
Have you actually listened to these or are your opinions based on fact that it looks like a horn from a Thomas Edison era gramophone horn? I would size the horn using sims rather than just to look like the one in the picture.
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I'll agree with sreten on that. In essence a BVR.

Making a petal front horn with helper woofer would be a more worthwhile application of the effort.

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OK, so it sounds like you guys think this Gramophone horn is a waste of time. Not sure why this is more of a BVR than a BLH because that little box is the driver chamber, there is a throat and there is a horn. Classic BLH, it just doesn't look like a rectangular box.
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Sreten.
Have you actually listened to these or are your opinions based on fact that it looks like a horn from a Thomas Edison era gramophone horn? I would size the horn using sims rather than just to look like the one in the picture.

Hi,

Of course I haven't listened to them, that goes without saying on
nearly all my "opinions" on poor designs posted on this forum.
You can take or leave my "opinion" that they are awful.

Your going to build something similar but with proper simulation ?
You think you'll end up with something similar ? I don't think so.

Speaking of sims I've been looking at this recently which is interesting :
http://www.quarter-wave.com/Horns/BL...gn_Article.pdf

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Sreten,
Ha ha! "Of course I haven't listened to them..." Of course I would sim first, I don't waste my time on building stuff on a whim anymore. You are right though, the design would be different and sound different.

The MJK paper you refer to is one I have been reading already and it the topic of the thread MJK's Fostex FF125wk BLH project Check it out, Dr Boar has built, probably the first example of the BLH described by MJK in this paper and is performing numerous measurements of the performance.
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I've been looking at speakers like these, but I'm a bit of a newbie to this game. Are those horns real? I mean does sound actually come out of the horn shape, or is it just dressing and the actual speaker is the one visible on the front of the cube?

Specifically, would anyone have any details of the internals of these?

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I mean does sound actually come out of the horn shape [...]
Specifically, would anyone have any details of the internals of these?
The box part will have a cutout in the top that couples to the horn throat. This is a back loaded horn. Do a Google Image Search on "BLH speaker" and you'll get the idea.

e.g. this looks like a better implementation of the same concept:
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I say 'better' because the speaker is at ear height, and the horn mouth is closer to the ground, so will get some boundary loading.
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