http://www.quarter-wave.com/Horns/BLH_Design_Article.pdf
Has anyone, even MJK himself, built this horn yet? I've searched for info on this forum and others but to no avail (although the project was mentioned at least once in another thread). It looks like a great design.
Has anyone, even MJK himself, built this horn yet? I've searched for info on this forum and others but to no avail (although the project was mentioned at least once in another thread). It looks like a great design.
Hi,
I think nobody has yet built this design..
It's new (december 2012), maybe you can ask about this on Yahoo's group.
Phil.
I think nobody has yet built this design..
It's new (december 2012), maybe you can ask about this on Yahoo's group.
Phil.
Slightly before December:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full...pact-back-loaded-horn-loudspeaker-system.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full...pact-back-loaded-horn-loudspeaker-system.html
Thanks Scott. That thread didn't turn up for me.
I am thinking of trying out this horn at some point down the line, but right now I have to accept that speakers are not the weak point in my system. I've started making cautious forays into the amp forums, gleaning information...
I am thinking of trying out this horn at some point down the line, but right now I have to accept that speakers are not the weak point in my system. I've started making cautious forays into the amp forums, gleaning information...
Chaz,
This is the perfect project to try in foam and hot melt glue now that you are an expert in foam core cabinets. Probably about 4 sheets and $2 of glue per cabinet. A lot of pieces though - time consuming to cut compared to long single width channel of cornu.
This is the perfect project to try in foam and hot melt glue now that you are an expert in foam core cabinets. Probably about 4 sheets and $2 of glue per cabinet. A lot of pieces though - time consuming to cut compared to long single width channel of cornu.
The whole cabinet could barely be done with one sheet of 4x8 plywood, so it would take at least 8 sheets of foam board! 😀 A tempting thought though...
Ok, $8 of foam board and $3 of gkue sticks (half a bag or 50 sticks to be generous) 😀 You would be the first to build an mjk blh of most optimised design!
Most optimized blh of MJK's designs, at least that was what he seem to suggest as he uses many lessons learned from his earlier designs. Not most as in best of any blh design ever... 🙂
I have plans for using them as my next computer speaker using 4" Tangband driver, I have the drivers as well as a cutting plan for a 12mm MDF board. X-mas, visitors and other things has thrown spanner in the works but now things are clearing up.
I'd hope so, since if you make them in any other size it would be a completely different enclosure, would need to be treated as such, and designed from scratch to achieve whatever the goals were accordingly. You can't just change the physical scale of a box & expect it to work as the original design was supposed to. While to an extent a design can be scaled, to do it successfully you first have to back-engineer the original, not just in terms of physical dimensions but the inherent design objectives with x drive unit, relate these to whatever unit you intend to use, adjust accordingly for the requirements of the new driver, and then design the box to a new scale that will achieve these.
The TB presumably has very close specs. to the Fostex, in terms of its mass corner, useable gain BW etc. Otherwise it won't work as Martin intended.
The TB presumably has very close specs. to the Fostex, in terms of its mass corner, useable gain BW etc. Otherwise it won't work as Martin intended.
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my point exactly. For me personally, when i think "computer speaker" I think desktop, and that's clearly out of the picture with this design!
yup, desk-top/ very near-field application like this is where a small (2-3 liters is a nice range) enclosure has a lot of functional and aesthetic advantages
Regarding the Tangband
Stated cone area is to big. 57 cm2 correspond to a diameter of 86mm and then much more than half of the surround is included in the cone area
Diameter of cone and surround is 90mm, getting to half the surround 82-83 mm that is 54 cm2 but then the center is not part of the cone and there is 5.3 cm2 so in alles about 50 cm2 not 57.
They have been played a bit before and now I have had them unmounted and played them quite loud with cone movement of +/- 1-2 mm. With some few hours of play time they still had a Fr of 85-90 Hz. Trashing them with Ramstein Mutter and also the Sensucht album as loud as I dare with several mm of cone motion and me out of the house, repatedly have moved down the Fr to 73-75 Hz so far.
Stated cone area is to big. 57 cm2 correspond to a diameter of 86mm and then much more than half of the surround is included in the cone area
Diameter of cone and surround is 90mm, getting to half the surround 82-83 mm that is 54 cm2 but then the center is not part of the cone and there is 5.3 cm2 so in alles about 50 cm2 not 57.
They have been played a bit before and now I have had them unmounted and played them quite loud with cone movement of +/- 1-2 mm. With some few hours of play time they still had a Fr of 85-90 Hz. Trashing them with Ramstein Mutter and also the Sensucht album as loud as I dare with several mm of cone motion and me out of the house, repatedly have moved down the Fr to 73-75 Hz so far.
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What's the purpose of the chamber behind the driver's chamber? I read something about an absorber/tuning?
Right. See the thread I linked to. It's an internal Helmholtz resonator / absorber. It works in the same way as the bass-traps sometimes used to kill a problematic room-mode, which are essentially a big empty box tuned to said problem frequency.
In this case, Martin has tuned it to, or just above, the intended Fh (upper corner-frequency) of the horn in order to provide a higher order acoustic low-pass slope. Since most such resonators are narrow band devices, the slope will ultimately resemble a cauer filter, so the trick is to shunt the secondary peak > 40dB down to maximise the benefits.
In this case, Martin has tuned it to, or just above, the intended Fh (upper corner-frequency) of the horn in order to provide a higher order acoustic low-pass slope. Since most such resonators are narrow band devices, the slope will ultimately resemble a cauer filter, so the trick is to shunt the secondary peak > 40dB down to maximise the benefits.
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