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Old 9th November 2012, 12:41 AM   #51
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So a 4" driver does move when fed 20hz. And there is output at 20k. Done!
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Old 9th November 2012, 12:52 AM   #52
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Hi Wavebourn,

Okay, interesting -- so widebander is a better term, because single implies "one only", and fullrange implies "all the frequencies." Wideband just means "broad range of frequencies" and I think it includes all the other definitions. So a "single driver full-range design" would be a particular type of wideband design.
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Old 9th November 2012, 02:00 PM   #53
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Maybe so, but it's still not truly great at anything. That's my point.
Neither is a FR driver. That's my point. If there was a driver that could cover all the music and do it well, there would be no woofers and tweeters. Not gonna happen.

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The best fullrange drivers however, used as single drivers, can truly excel at some types of material and/or in some environments/situations, and be merely adequate for others.
This sounds like a statement I should be making in this discussion.
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[An all-season tire is] still not truly great at anything.
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Neither is a FR driver.
Not true that such drivers cannot be truly great at some things. All drivers have limits so the performance ends up being implementation-dependent.

Random example: the Lowther field-coil. Definitely stunning in a good implementation (e.g., Elevenhorn 3-way horns, or the RMAF OB's with RAAL tweeters and servo subs). Widebanders are no different than woofers, tweeters, compression drivers, electrostatics, etc. -- there are limits to everything, and nothing does -everything- well.
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My poll vote goes to Wavebourn.
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Hi sofaspud,

So you don't own a subwoofer?
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Old 9th November 2012, 03:32 PM   #57
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Not true that such drivers cannot be truly great at some things.
I agree, what I should have said is what you did below.

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-- there are limits to everything, and nothing does -everything- well.
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So a 4" driver does move when fed 20hz. And there is output at 20k. Done!
Yes., except your "20Hz" and "20k" do not matter. "Full" in terms of the specified range. It can be any. Like a coat made from a single animal skin. It's size can be any, but it covers the body of the given size. However, if you cover wider range it's problematic to find an animal to cover the "full" range by one skin.
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Old 9th November 2012, 06:37 PM   #59
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I agree, what I should have said is what you did below.
Which is almost exactly what I said if you read my post.
Only fullrangers does some things very well, argueably better than any other type of setup.

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I find full range drivers put the music back in the music. I have a pair of Jordan VTLs using the newer E100 drivers. They manage to do 40Hz to 20kHz and manage to sound great doing it. Plus they don't need alot of space around them, which is a bonus.

I had the opportunity to listen to the Zu Audio Unions at the Sydney Audio and AV show recently. They have a full range driver, but they intentionally cut it off at 12kHz and use a tweeter in a coax configuration to cover 12kHz to 22kHz. There is apparently no crossover to get in the way. I mention the Union, because despite it technically using 2 drivers, I would still consider them to be a full range speaker.

Perhaps it would be better to say that it is a speaker that projects music from a single point?
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