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Old 19th October 2012, 02:29 AM   #21
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Old 19th October 2012, 03:01 AM   #22
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I listened to the Voxative at RMAF 2012. It was quite similar to other full range drivers with whizzers. Nothing profoundly different. I found the Rethm speakers, with Lowthers, to be much better sounding than the Vox.

It's Audio Nirvana for me, the poor man's Lowther.
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Old 19th October 2012, 03:06 AM   #23
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i heard the Voxativ last week for a few album sides. We have a pair in the factory in Korea to check out. I thought they were a bit more controlled and smooth than standard Lowthers based on a casual listen. I don't know the model but the cabinet was quite small too.

The problem with all those whizz/lowther type speakers is the dang boxes. No easy way out.
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Old 19th October 2012, 03:11 AM   #24
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I see even Mr. Pass gives his nod to the Lowther and the Feastrex D9NF. I wish I can hear these one day. And the Altec 755A too! I want to experience the magic.

zman01, I'm still experimenting with cabinets for my A12P. I think I will end up with simple sealed w/subwoofer. It just sounds quicker and more authoritative this way. I've been doing all sorts of measurements but it's really an art with fullranges. I'm experimenting with adding a supertweeter. It's a lot of trial and error, but it's fun. Some people take this hobby way too seriously, arguing passive vs active, tube vs SS endlessly trying to be right. Those people scare me.

The A12P midrange is magical. Soundstage is wide, seems like the sound is coming from behind the speakers, sometimes the sound is coming from everywhere. It is warm and very pleasant to listen to. Compared to smaller drivers it sounds more effortless. All your music will sound good on these. You have a nice lady and some A12P and you will be happy.
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Old 19th October 2012, 06:29 AM   #25
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ra7,

IIRC I read at 6moons that Rethm was now using in house drivers for their new models - I might be wrong though. They definitely had Lowther earlier.

cotdt,

From whatever I have listened to A12P while they are breaking in, I very much agree with your observations - the midrange is very nice and vocals are very natural sounding. I am with you on the effortlessness part too - maybe that is something to do with the larger cone area and driver design - even for the older A12 metal it does better in dynamics and filling the room vs smaller MA drivers (Alp 7.3, El-70) which have more finesse but need to work harder on certain genres and in bigger spaces.

Good to know that you are experimeting with the driver - look forward to more observations/combinations that sound good.
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Old 19th October 2012, 11:45 AM   #26
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755C/E aren't even close to the 755A. Don't have the HF extension or definition of the A.
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On the basis of a brief listen to the E model a while back, +1.
I'm well aware the A model is supposed to outstrip it.
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Old 19th October 2012, 05:23 PM   #27
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Various Lowthers: shouty stridend quality
Philips 9710: Similar to Lowthers
Goodman Axiette: Better than above but still not as good as some Philips 6.5" fullrange drivers that simply sound right.
Voxative: the by far best full range loudspeaker I have ever heard. Also one of the best speakers of any kind I have heard, at least with classical music. I have no idea how they hold up with brutal power music be it Ramstein or Kodo temple drums
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Old 19th October 2012, 05:31 PM   #28
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I'm well aware the A model is supposed to outstrip it.
It bears repeating because it is really difficult to extrapolate to the 755A sound having only heard a 755E. Totally different flavor.

Of course, it is difficult to put this kind of experiential knowledge into words that will make it come alive for someone who wasn't there, as it were.

What I get with the 755A and I'd love to find in a cheaper, readily available alternative is a crisp and clean sound with a lot of color, rich and juicy when they should be without sounding at all slow. I have described the sound as "Quads with balls" because they energize the air like an electrostat but have more bite on the leading edge.

The C and E versions are more typical, slightly fat and rolled off sounding eight inchers, pleasant but nothing special.

I agree with previous poster that Voxativ sounded pretty good. Here's a pic of the ones that I heard--bright white cones. I asked "Wow, what's playing" because they did not strike my ear as "lowthers."
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Old 19th October 2012, 07:24 PM   #29
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ra7,

IIRC I read at 6moons that Rethm was now using in house drivers for their new models - I might be wrong though. They definitely had Lowther earlier.

cotdt,

From whatever I have listened to A12P while they are breaking in, I very much agree with your observations - the midrange is very nice and vocals are very natural sounding. I am with you on the effortlessness part too - maybe that is something to do with the larger cone area and driver design - even for the older A12 metal it does better in dynamics and filling the room vs smaller MA drivers (Alp 7.3, El-70) which have more finesse but need to work harder on certain genres and in bigger spaces.

Good to know that you are experimeting with the driver - look forward to more observations/combinations that sound good.
Hi zman and cotdt!!

Upstairs in my house there is a pair of Alp12P warming up - really nice in colour and style(sound will come in time)!
I have a somewhat new plan for the box and will post pics and plan in a new thread soon!
Hope it will be as good or better than my Alp10.2 that is shining with my selfSIT mono`s.

Good luck with your builds both!

Back in a couple of weeks with more!

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Good luck with your build also Olav, and look forward to hearing from you! Some sort of solid wood again this time? And how are the L'Amps performing?
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