Hi There,
I was looking to buy a Audio Nirvana 15" Co-ax that come with a compression drive or to use a normal Audio Nirvana 15" with an external ribbon tweeter. I know many people tell me the AN 15" does not need an extra tweeter, but I am not convinced with a paper based cone.
Ideally the compression driver would be a better match than the ribbon tweeter, since it is built into the speaker driver. However I am clueless about how the sound characteristics of a compression driver?
Would love to hear some feedback if you have heard or used the AN 15" coax.
Thanking ahead.
Oon
I was looking to buy a Audio Nirvana 15" Co-ax that come with a compression drive or to use a normal Audio Nirvana 15" with an external ribbon tweeter. I know many people tell me the AN 15" does not need an extra tweeter, but I am not convinced with a paper based cone.
Ideally the compression driver would be a better match than the ribbon tweeter, since it is built into the speaker driver. However I am clueless about how the sound characteristics of a compression driver?
Would love to hear some feedback if you have heard or used the AN 15" coax.
Thanking ahead.
Oon
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Tell Melon that the tweeters he is talking about costs more than a pair of 15" AN.... sorry don't really have that much money, even if I sell both my kidneys... don't need kidneys to listen to music...
I have a pair of Mark and Daniels AMT. Or I might buy this one...
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Incidentally I will pm you to get his contact will probably want to ask more info from him.
I think the question from me is whether I shoudl get the coax or should I just get the supercast 15 and add in additional tweeter....
Or maybe get supercast 15 and then decide if I want to add in additional tweeter...
Oon
Tell Melon that the tweeters he is talking about costs more than a pair of 15" AN.... sorry don't really have that much money, even if I sell both my kidneys... don't need kidneys to listen to music...
I have a pair of Mark and Daniels AMT. Or I might buy this one...
Bohlender Graebener Neo8-PDR Planar Transducer 264-713
Incidentally I will pm you to get his contact will probably want to ask more info from him.
I think the question from me is whether I shoudl get the coax or should I just get the supercast 15 and add in additional tweeter....
Or maybe get supercast 15 and then decide if I want to add in additional tweeter...
Oon
second from bottom Fountek (with horn) , from 75E in Europe for pair
or APT80
both crossed anywhere between 15-20K 6db/oct
they will work flawless as supertweet
series R will suffice if att is needed
edit - this one - http://www.fountek.net/products.asp?id=43
or APT80
both crossed anywhere between 15-20K 6db/oct
they will work flawless as supertweet
series R will suffice if att is needed
edit - this one - http://www.fountek.net/products.asp?id=43
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agree , but almost
even if my hearing is ooked above 14-14,5K ( too many hours in front of stage on concerts ?
) , I'm finding supertweet welcomed with coaxes and FR spks ; none of them is anywhere mentioned as lacking in upper region
whatever , I had same impression as you , but only after trying supertweet I change that opinion
usual disclaimer - YMMAMV
even if my hearing is ooked above 14-14,5K ( too many hours in front of stage on concerts ?
) , I'm finding supertweet welcomed with coaxes and FR spks ; none of them is anywhere mentioned as lacking in upper regionwhatever , I had same impression as you , but only after trying supertweet I change that opinion
usual disclaimer - YMMAMV
I agree with Zen over there. Sometimes when you add a supertweeter to a system, there is a big improvement in sound. The sound can feel more airy. I heard the improvement even when you stick it in a 2 way unit. And definitely with my seas fa22 full range. It is not something you can hear per se, like this wasn't here earlier, now it is. Just a general feeling of clarity and when you take it off, it feels like something is missing.
I have a aurum cantus on another system but i might canibalise that and put it here...
Oon
I have a aurum cantus on another system but i might canibalise that and put it here...
Oon
and , as I said - you don't need left leg and right kidney value here - Eminence APT** is completely enough and dirt cheap
** - APT50 is code for naked driver , without plastic horn ; with horn it goes from 80 upwards , higher numbers having bigger horns and different coverage angles
taking ferofluid out clears things further
boyz from Zu are using it , same as guy in States ..... for improvement over basic Klipsch tweet , same as guys in Eu , making some expensive boxies with coax Eminences
not my cap of brew as tweet , but as helper tweet - more than good enough for sparkling some air
** - APT50 is code for naked driver , without plastic horn ; with horn it goes from 80 upwards , higher numbers having bigger horns and different coverage angles
taking ferofluid out clears things further
boyz from Zu are using it , same as guy in States ..... for improvement over basic Klipsch tweet , same as guys in Eu , making some expensive boxies with coax Eminences
not my cap of brew as tweet , but as helper tweet - more than good enough for sparkling some air
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I thought I'd hate compression tweeters but since trying and enjoying the Eminence 1001 (I think it's cheaper than the apt 80) I'm completely sold on them. I think pairing them with appropriately efficient drivers (like the Eminence 12lta... and certainly others) produces very lively results for a home speaker.
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Whether the AN15 cast or the AN15 coax, it's a reasonably big outlay of cash so I understand why you'd like to choose the best option up front. Trouble is, I don't think enough folk on this forum have heard them both to offer you solid advice.
I've heard the AN15 and I don't feel a need for a super tweeter. Perhaps it's a case of you don't know what you are missing til you have had the chance to hear it but I don't feel rushed to go out and get one and then worry about how close I can mount it to the AN15 centre and what cross-over frequency it'll need and dispersion and all the rest. If I didn't think the AN15 would give me the treble I wanted, then I'd be tempted to consider the Coax. No diea how good the horn tweeter on the AN Coax is though.
There's a nice big speaker, one that may remind you of my recent Big'un, which uses a coax with horn tweeter by Hiraga - if you are looking for some inspiration.
I've heard the AN15 and I don't feel a need for a super tweeter. Perhaps it's a case of you don't know what you are missing til you have had the chance to hear it but I don't feel rushed to go out and get one and then worry about how close I can mount it to the AN15 centre and what cross-over frequency it'll need and dispersion and all the rest. If I didn't think the AN15 would give me the treble I wanted, then I'd be tempted to consider the Coax. No diea how good the horn tweeter on the AN Coax is though.
There's a nice big speaker, one that may remind you of my recent Big'un, which uses a coax with horn tweeter by Hiraga - if you are looking for some inspiration.
I have not heard the an15.
Speaking on the an15, just because a driver can go up there or measure up there, doesn't mean it does it well (break up modes helping it seem like it goes high). And the dispersion of adding a supertweet will be helpfull for those off axis or in the back of the room.
I for one like a squeek of boosted high frequency, more of the fletcher munson curve (or loudness button) helpfull for low volume listening.
With the griffin jordan project, most preferred adding a ribbon at 5khz 12db crossed (I think, can't remember if jordan run wide open) compared to just having the jordan driver. There are times I love my piezo crossed in at 5khz with a 6.5" that shuts off at 5khz, very nice air and astonishing detail, really hearing into the fake reverb. Better intelligibility than any 2khz crossover, but a pair of 4" full rangers (in 1 box) did it even better. But the full rangers couldn't do high cymbals very well. I have not compared crossing in the piezo with/without using a full range driver.
I think your biggest decision is if you want the an15 or the an15 coax.
People love their tannoys probably because of the "point source".
I don't like the idea of the massive phase shift at 2khz that coax's have.
And improperly loading a compression driver is a bad idea (a 2" tube, barely any flare, and horrible mouth termination).
But it can be a welcome improvement to detail, distortion, and dispersion but your intelligibility will suffer.
It all depends on what you think sounds best.
Norman
Speaking on the an15, just because a driver can go up there or measure up there, doesn't mean it does it well (break up modes helping it seem like it goes high). And the dispersion of adding a supertweet will be helpfull for those off axis or in the back of the room.
I for one like a squeek of boosted high frequency, more of the fletcher munson curve (or loudness button) helpfull for low volume listening.
With the griffin jordan project, most preferred adding a ribbon at 5khz 12db crossed (I think, can't remember if jordan run wide open) compared to just having the jordan driver. There are times I love my piezo crossed in at 5khz with a 6.5" that shuts off at 5khz, very nice air and astonishing detail, really hearing into the fake reverb. Better intelligibility than any 2khz crossover, but a pair of 4" full rangers (in 1 box) did it even better. But the full rangers couldn't do high cymbals very well. I have not compared crossing in the piezo with/without using a full range driver.
I think your biggest decision is if you want the an15 or the an15 coax.
People love their tannoys probably because of the "point source".
I don't like the idea of the massive phase shift at 2khz that coax's have.
And improperly loading a compression driver is a bad idea (a 2" tube, barely any flare, and horrible mouth termination).
But it can be a welcome improvement to detail, distortion, and dispersion but your intelligibility will suffer.
It all depends on what you think sounds best.
Norman
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I think i probably started the thread with a wrong footing. I probably should have used the term an 15 and a supertweeter instead. I would have been using the an15 full range and a tweeter to help up above 10khz. The other part i also neglected to mention is i would probably be using a home built f2j.
When i first got my seas fa22 i played it for quite a while before adding in the supertweeter. After that i couldn't get used to the sound without the supertweet.
That is why i am pretty convinced that i most likely need a supertweeter. For most people what they see is an extension of the hf frequency response. But what i think makes the difference is the handling of low level treble. These are much lower than 1 watt. More likely 1mW. If it produces 95db, then at 10mW it would be 75db. Which is still very loud. Which is why i guess the low level detail treble are more likely to be 1mW.
I have actually asked davis dicks on his opinion on the 2 speakers. Although the compression driver is coaxial i really don't know how it will perform in terms of sonic characteristics as a supertweeter. And from what i have been reading so far, they tend be higly directional. Which is the opposite of what i was looking for. High dispersion in all angles.
Very likely i would be getting the supercast 15. Then later figure out if i want to have it crossed at 10khz to the tweeter or just run it fullrange and fix in a supertweeter...
Oon
When i first got my seas fa22 i played it for quite a while before adding in the supertweeter. After that i couldn't get used to the sound without the supertweet.
That is why i am pretty convinced that i most likely need a supertweeter. For most people what they see is an extension of the hf frequency response. But what i think makes the difference is the handling of low level treble. These are much lower than 1 watt. More likely 1mW. If it produces 95db, then at 10mW it would be 75db. Which is still very loud. Which is why i guess the low level detail treble are more likely to be 1mW.
I have actually asked davis dicks on his opinion on the 2 speakers. Although the compression driver is coaxial i really don't know how it will perform in terms of sonic characteristics as a supertweeter. And from what i have been reading so far, they tend be higly directional. Which is the opposite of what i was looking for. High dispersion in all angles.
Very likely i would be getting the supercast 15. Then later figure out if i want to have it crossed at 10khz to the tweeter or just run it fullrange and fix in a supertweeter...
Oon
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