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Old 30th September 2012, 05:11 PM   #21
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Hi mdikovics,

I hadn't seen the E60 until just now. That is now on my shopping list

Me too for next year.
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Old 30th September 2012, 05:29 PM   #22
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Hi Natural Sound, I am still loving the Jordan BiB for some things.

Lately, I've been using small drivers. I avoidi any drivers with a peaky response -- it's just not worth the time to tame something when there are many other things to worry about. I'd rather wrestle bass out of a driver than have to smooth out the treble. Worst case is when you struggle with both, so no more peaky drivers for me.

Enclosure-wise, I'm trying to use the simplest thing that will work, and then use the saved time to refine that to the max. So often just a vented enclosure, conservatively tuned, then there's extra time to spend on dimensions, bracing, diffraction, etc.

And finally, if all that gets you 90% of the way, the icing on the cake can be a gentle contour filter. Or even better, using two drivers in a 1.5 arrangement (one driver rolled off). That's what I'm finding, anyway. Lots of good drivers out there.

I agree with the taming and peakness 100%. But, lets flip the coin over. I am looking at building around a peaky driver because its a challenge. I am working on a box that I have put a peaky drive in to and I hear no peakyness so far brand new not ever broken it straight out of the box and plug and play. I have built the boxes and already I am played the fostex fe126en in it. Very nice speakers. I have am using the ff125wk drivers right now very nice sounding.I have not had issues with a peak at 7khz? Also I think you can build a box around the drivers so it helps and smooths out any peakness if it has any. I don't think filters or caps should be used in fullrange driver unless its a super tweeter at 10 khz and beyond. That is why its a fullrange to not use with a crossover and cause phase and shift problems and not allowing the music to come thru straight with out any blocking of the current if I said it right. Also on the other hand I am thinking now why did the speaker company make this driver this way were and has allowed the driver to have a shout or brightness from 1,000khz and in between 20,000 it depends on the drivers. There is always a answer to everything in life and hi-fi is no different. My thinking is to build a cabinet around the driver and ajust the box to the driver so you are able to fix the peakness or the brightness in the drivers sound. I am looking at getting 100% out of the drivers I am using even if it takes a along time to get it right. Just my thought. Jm

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Old 30th September 2012, 05:30 PM   #23
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I have a pair of JX92S which really rock out. There are small, medium and large cabinet options which is great. Mine ended up in a BiB which had gobs of bass (I used them as 2-channel home theater).

When I got re-interested in jazz and (small-scale) classical, I went back to small paper-coned drivers. For me, metal cones are great at clarity and bass, but don't quite do (e.g.,) the attack on a cello, or violin, or strings generally (for my particular ears). So you have to own a pair of each (metal and paper).

In terms of new vs. old, personally, I think it's fun to have the new stuff. But if you get a great bargain on the old ones, you have a lot of proven designs to consider. We are spoiled with some excellent choices right now. Chances are you'll end up buying them all eventually


What small paper cones do you have? Just wondering? jm
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Old 30th September 2012, 05:41 PM   #24
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I agree I am not a sales person either but, everyones ears are different. Thats why I got into diy I got tired of the flavor of the month speakers from hi-end or hi-fi magazines. I had one dealer that I was close to tell me he couldn't keep up with the speaker of the month in his stores and he was getting out of the hi-fi bussiness. I have not seen him for 9 plus years and I really miss talking to him not only as I friend but, a true hi-fi nut. He never did a sales pitch just treated you as family. I could walk in t he store and start helping people with anything hook ups,demoing, explaining products. Thoses were the days. I say this let your ears be the judge because you have to live with them in the end. Sorry for such along post. Jm
It is still not clear to me why you chose to make statements about me which are totally un-true. I am clearly not one of the people here that behaves in such an unprofessional fashion. Though there are those that do, I will never be one of them.
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Old 30th September 2012, 05:58 PM   #25
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Hi natural sound,

I listened to peaky drivers for years, and it didn't bother me at first, because I loved all the positive qualities. But now I -also- want the flat response for some reason, perhaps the novelty of it.

A peaky response is a form of distortion, and taking that away with a highest quality filter is doing nothing bad Although I resisted a filter at first, nowadays my ears just say "ahhhh" when I hear that smoother, flatter, balanced response. It sounds more natural, though less "forward".

But a purist approach would be to use digital EQ on your computer as a source. Then you can use whatever driver and flatten it out without passive parts. I've done both, and each approach has excellent merits (and tradeoffs).
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Old 30th September 2012, 06:25 PM   #26
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What small paper cones do you have? Just wondering? jm
All of them. (Okay, not all, but dozens. I was naively searching for a "silver bullet," and recently settled on a small-driver sat-sub approach. I don't have a specific recommendation but will be starting a design/build thread within a couple weeks.)
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Old 30th September 2012, 09:12 PM   #27
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I started off with a pair of 21L infinite baffle columns with JX92S speakers. Never liked them from the start - the sound was hard and peaky in the upper mid/treble.

Replaced them with Alpair 10.1 and immediately the sound was smooth and musical. I sold the Jordans and was glad to see them go. They may be OK in a 2-way system with a good ribbon tweeter or something. But I wanted a fullrange speaker and got a good one in the Alpair 10. No contest for me. Really like it. No doubt the new version is a bit better as well.
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Old 30th September 2012, 10:31 PM   #28
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It is still not clear to me why you chose to make statements about me which are totally un-true. I am clearly not one of the people here that behaves in such an unprofessional fashion. Though there are those that do, I will never be one of them.

First off I wanted to say if I offend you I am sorry. I really don't know what or were I said something about you in my post. Also what statement did I say that was un-true? I never said you acted unprofessional? Please explain so I can correct my mistake I am here to have fun not offend people. Jm

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Old 30th September 2012, 10:38 PM   #29
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Hi natural sound,

I listened to peaky drivers for years, and it didn't bother me at first, because I loved all the positive qualities. But now I -also- want the flat response for some reason, perhaps the novelty of it.

A peaky response is a form of distortion, and taking that away with a highest quality filter is doing nothing bad Although I resisted a filter at first, nowadays my ears just say "ahhhh" when I hear that smoother, flatter, balanced response. It sounds more natural, though less "forward".

But a purist approach would be to use digital EQ on your computer as a source. Then you can use whatever driver and flatten it out without passive parts. I've done both, and each approach has excellent merits (and tradeoffs).

Yes true indeed. A EQ I forgot about that. I agree with you on using a EQ. Thanks for your post it helps and is very helpful. Jm
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Old 30th September 2012, 10:41 PM   #30
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I started off with a pair of 21L infinite baffle columns with JX92S speakers. Never liked them from the start - the sound was hard and peaky in the upper mid/treble.

Replaced them with Alpair 10.1 and immediately the sound was smooth and musical. I sold the Jordans and was glad to see them go. They may be OK in a 2-way system with a good ribbon tweeter or something. But I wanted a fullrange speaker and got a good one in the Alpair 10. No contest for me. Really like it. No doubt the new version is a bit better as well.

Thats good to know. The alpairs look like a great driver. Thanks for posting and sharing. Jm
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