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Old 11th September 2012, 03:48 PM   #61
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Those are Great! If they work well that's even a Bonus.
Regards to your desire for a decent multi driver:
Do you have an unquenchable urge to DIY??
IF not.. Then respectfully suggest looking at a (used even :-) pair of Vandersteen 2Ce's (Or better). These, goofy looking things, when fitted with a min 100/150w 'clean' amplifier are genuinely impressive speakers.
IMO as good as one can get without jumping into the serious coin levels.
FAR better than a pair of Lowthers I wasted 2+ years 'fooling' with :
Audition a pair. ?. if only for curiosity/ basic reference.
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Old 11th September 2012, 04:48 PM   #62
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Those are Great! If they work well that's even a Bonus.
Regards to your desire for a decent multi driver:
Do you have an unquenchable urge to DIY??
IF not.. Then respectfully suggest looking at a (used even :-) pair of Vandersteen 2Ce's (Or better). These, goofy looking things, when fitted with a min 100/150w 'clean' amplifier are genuinely impressive speakers.
IMO as good as one can get without jumping into the serious coin levels.
FAR better than a pair of Lowthers I wasted 2+ years 'fooling' with :
Audition a pair. ?. if only for curiosity/ basic reference.
Honesty, No, I have no real desire to do it myself. I just cant afford what I want. I have decent amps and eventually will grab a tube amp of some sort to power the FRs.
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Old 11th September 2012, 06:17 PM   #63
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Fair enough.
A wee story tho :-)
A good friend has been Lusting after a Porsche 911 for 40! years.
Always claiming poverty. Notwithstanding that the local Dealer always has a couple or 6 used ones available for the same price as a new Accord.
Certainly not free, but affordable if one has a 36 month life expectancy.
In the ensuing decades he has spent many tens of $ thousands, years of weekend and evening work dicking around with his beater cars.
In the belief/hope of Diy ing a 'Porsche beater' ... As if .
End result he still has No Money, is 40 years older and still No Porsche. Laughable waste of a lifetime lust imo.. if it wasn't so pathetic.

PS: Vandy's 2 ce's run ~$1k used, last time I looked. A DIY effort will run at least half of that.. likely more by the 3rd 'try'.
IMO don't be lusting after tube amps :-)
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Old 11th September 2012, 07:04 PM   #64
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Fair enough.
A wee story tho :-)
A good friend has been Lusting after a Porsche 911 for 40! years.
Always claiming poverty. Notwithstanding that the local Dealer always has a couple or 6 used ones available for the same price as a new Accord.
Certainly not free, but affordable if one has a 36 month life expectancy.
In the ensuing decades he has spent many tens of $ thousands, years of weekend and evening work dicking around with his beater cars.
In the belief/hope of Diy ing a 'Porsche beater' ... As if .
End result he still has No Money, is 40 years older and still No Porsche. Laughable waste of a lifetime lust imo.. if it wasn't so pathetic.

well maybe he's had 40yrs of fun playing with his DIY beaters, and I'd wager the auto geeks (no me) could nominate many brands of "lesser" vehicles with higher lifetime mileage and lower operating costs than a 911

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PS: Vandy's 2 ce's run ~$1k used, last time I looked. A DIY effort will run at least half of that.. likely more by the 3rd 'try'.
IMO don't be lusting after tube amps :-)
The Vandy's lower sensitivity and 4-way XO & driver configuration would certainly shorten the list of tube amps capable of squeezing all the juice from the lemon.

The only pair of these that I've heard was over 10yrs ago, driven IINM by Quicksilver Mini Mite mono blocks (25W P/P?) - frankly an altogether "meh" experience, but of course, YMMV, and a higher power SS amp could be all these puppies need.
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Old 11th September 2012, 11:36 PM   #65
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The 1611's did show up today, they look well made/solid.


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1611s are a size larger, 5 1/4" class vrs 4 1/2"

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Old 12th September 2012, 03:42 AM   #66
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Old 12th September 2012, 09:26 AM   #67
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Forget ported with Linkwitz transform, it's really only effective with sealed. You'll also run out of power very quickly if you're using a valve amp with limited output, and be pushing it into high distortion too.

You could try the compact BR I did for the 12P; it's covering most acoustic music, & doesn't make a bad fist of Massive Attack for what it is. If you want sub-bass, you've got the wrong driver & wrong amp. You'd be better off adding a powered sub.
Everyone, I guess a reminder is needed. A Linkwitz transform is ONLY for low Q sealed cabinets. Doing bass extension on any other system is not an LT, and also not too smart. It may seem like a bother, but he will explain it to you on his site.
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Old 12th September 2012, 09:27 AM   #68
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2Ce's are a great benchmark. They are the " so, you think you can do better" speaker. Most can't.
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Old 27th July 2016, 07:30 AM   #69
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Fair enough.
A wee story tho :-)
A good friend has been Lusting after a Porsche 911 for 40! years.
Always claiming poverty. Notwithstanding that the local Dealer always has a couple or 6 used ones available for the same price as a new Accord.
Certainly not free, but affordable if one has a 36 month life expectancy.
In the ensuing decades he has spent many tens of $ thousands, years of weekend and evening work dicking around with his beater cars.
In the belief/hope of Diy ing a 'Porsche beater' ... As if .
End result he still has No Money, is 40 years older and still No Porsche. Laughable waste of a lifetime lust imo.. if it wasn't so pathetic.

PS: Vandy's 2 ce's run ~$1k used, last time I looked. A DIY effort will run at least half of that.. likely more by the 3rd 'try'.
IMO don't be lusting after tube amps :-)
This might be the best advise ever given on this "DIY" forum. I too desire "audio nirvana" and am still interested in creating my own creation: "Audio Nirvana"!
I've owned a Porsche 930 Turbo as well as an AMG SL55: I'd never consider a "highly modified" Rice rocket as an alternative. I currently own a pair of Infinity Kappa 8's, Infinity RSIIb and a pair that I highly regard Renaissance 80's (others as well). The Kappa's need way too much amperage (Currently using a "pair" of Aragon 8008 amps > just to run them) the bass will kick you in the A$$ though (can you say: "Tight")!

The RSIIb (my pick for the best ever Infinity produced speakers) are running on a Sansui G7700-120Wpc w/ a ADC equalizer & a Pioneer RGII sound processor and sound great as well (I almost tried to replace these w/ a pair of Infinity RSI but, honestly the RSII sound better (period)!

I have (had) the Renaissance 80's running w/ a Jolida 302b 50Wpc tube amp (no audio processor or equalizer) and sound fantastic as well but, (I recently upgraded to a Jolida 502b at the 65Wpc rating) I'm afraid that I'm going to "over (under) drive" them and "burn" some of the components. I've seen a lot of "full range" speakers & box designs that I had previously considered but, having read this particular post: I might just stick w/ what I have and spare myself the "2 years" of frustration?

I love the Jolida (Golden Lion kt88) 65Wpc amp but, it's at the very bottom of what it takes to run the Renaissance 80's. I'm looking for a speaker that will re-produce the sound of the "Ren 80's w/o the concern of burning componants" but, after reading this post: It sounds like I'm "chasing my tail"? Any opinions ? -Davis
Here is a YouTube post of my Ren80's w/ a Jolida 302b 50Wpc amp: https://youtu.be/Pp2DuUza3Ys
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Old 27th July 2016, 06:11 PM   #70
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Say what you will about the "euphonic distortion pattern" of tube amps in general, with a sensitivity of 87dB and a less than simple XO, even at 65W your Jolida is at the lower end of the Infinity's recommended power ratings ( i.e. 75-350W).

Having owned a variety of tubed amps from 2A3 SET to a Jolida302B myself, the attraction of them in combination with a FR system of higher sensitivity than the 80's is understandable, but your goal of "nirvana" or even a glimpse of satori might be more easily / affordably accomplished with a much higher power SS amp. Of course, it sounds like the other selections in your harem indicate that's probably not a surprise.
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