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Old 23rd July 2012, 01:35 PM   #391
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Difficult to thinks that a copy of Altec compression driver can sound like a whizzer !
I never said they sound the same. I said "sound as good".
Actually, in my opinion they sound better, but I am sure other people might slightly prefer the GPAs
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Old 23rd July 2012, 01:42 PM   #392
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I am definitely not against small woofers, I actually prefer them generally speaking (I prefer playing my bass through dual 10s over single 15), but in this case the 15s sound better
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Old 23rd July 2012, 02:06 PM   #393
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yeah two or four speaker cabs are awesome, the chorus-y effect is nice.

however, when you play your bass anything you choose is the - by definition - correct sound. it's an entirely different issue. The other side of the mirror
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Old 23rd July 2012, 02:19 PM   #394
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Nothing to do with sound but the dynamics and speed that dual 10s have over single 15s.
This is applicable regardless of the application.
In addition to that more mid bass tone can be heard with 10s, this may or may not be applicable to hifi. I can definitely say I hear more mid bass detail with dual 10s.
Bass shops hardly even sell 15s now to Bass players in comparison to 10s.
This is probably going off topic now. I am not certain how relevant it might be to hifi, because I have not performed the tests with hifi recordings

EDIT: This has nothing to do with Audio Nirvana drivers, just my general experience using various woofer sizes for bass guitar

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Old 23rd July 2012, 04:35 PM   #395
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Do you realize how foolish that statement is?
With some it is, with some it isn't. I have found musicians that have very astute ears for picking apart hifis, i have met some that aren't... they know what music sound likes and their brain fills in the missing bit. The latter guys as happy with a transistor radio as a real hifi.

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Old 23rd July 2012, 05:08 PM   #396
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With some it is, with some it isn't. I have found musicians that have very good ears for picking apart hifis, i have met some that aren't... they know what music sound likes and their brain fills in the missing bit. The latter guys as happy with a transistor radio as a real hifi.
Well, that should put our hobby in some perspective.

I my self, used to be a musician in my earlier days at this planet, and what I learned from that experience was that when your playing live, as a rock-musician the hard thing was to get the mixing-guy to understand that we need to hear what we were playing/singing. More often than not, we had to trust our intuition because one couldn't here what note we were playing. so...
And that's the level of anti-hifi most musicians are facing... HiFi? LOL

On the other hand, When I was playing the trumpet in a Big Band things are better, but the brass-section sit behind the saxophone/clarinet guys, so we didn't here much of them over say 1k. It's like the listener would sit behind their speakers.

So... don't expect musicians to automatically hear the small nuances of music reproductions.
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There is ONE thing all musicians can recognize and will certainly react to if it's not reproduced well, and that's dynamics.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 05:16 PM   #397
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With some it is, with some it isn't. I have found musicians that have very good ears for picking apart hifis, i have met some that aren't... they know what music sound likes and their brain fills in the missing bit. The latter guys as happy with a transistor radio as a real hifi.
Well, that should put our hobby in some perspective.

I my self, used to be a musician in my earlier days at this planet, and what I learned from that experience was that when your playing live, as a rock-musician the hard thing was to get the mixing-guy to understand that we need to hear what we were playing/singing. More often than not, we had to trust our intuition because one couldn't here what note we were playing. so...
And that's the level of anti-hifi most musicians are facing... HiFi? LOL

On the other hand, When I was playing the trumpet in a Big Band things are better, but the brass-section sit behind the saxophone/clarinet guys, so we didn't here much of them over say 1k. It's like the listener would sit behind their speakers.

So... don't expect musicians to automatically hear the small nuances of music reproductions.
But.
There is ONE thing all musicians can recognize and will certainly react to if it's not reproduced well, and that's dynamics.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 07:06 PM   #398
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That's just plain wrong. I've been listening to extremely loud music with headphones (cans and in-ear) for 20 years. First with an aiwa nsx v70 and turned to volume to maximum. Then with external headphone amp (line6 ux1) and stanton dj pro 2000. Various others along the way.

I also play the guitar and i play technical death metal. I can set off car alarms with the sound pressure levels. you can feel the cement walls vibrate.

Yet i have so sharp hearing that it causes me problems. I can't sleep at night. Not only i can hear the CRT buzz and TFT CFL buzz, but I can hear my calculator's display buzz. Last time i got my hearing measured, it was on par with an infant's (doctor's actual words)

so no. To lose your hearing's accuracy it needs to be a combination of genetics and abuse.

edit: IN FACT if you can suggest me a way to LOSE sensitivity in my ears without causing tinnitus PLEASE TELL ME
can be Hyperacusis ? I haved in the past...me too ear crt and tft I'm 46 old , some antibiotics can lost earing
my twin 100w 2x12 is quite powerfull but you have more for sure
my suggestion is use this Etymotic Research, Inc. - ETY-Plugs ER20 High Fidelity Earplugs to avoid titinus
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Old 23rd July 2012, 08:59 PM   #399
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blu line -an15 ,diam 32cm ,qts0.48 95db
red line -8" , diam 18cm .qts 0.8 93db
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Old 23rd July 2012, 09:56 PM   #400
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the hard thing was to get the mixing-guy to understand that we need to hear what we were playing/singing. More often than not, we had to trust our intuition because one couldn't here what note we were playing. so...
And that's the level of anti-hifi most musicians are facing... HiFi? LOL
So true. LMAO. I find it is somewhere between 50% an 70% of them.
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