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Old 27th June 2012, 12:10 AM   #111
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lots of rock music is distortion, massive imperfection far from the sound the guitar strings actually produced but we find it pleasing.
whoa there. as a guitarist i have to say is not at all how you describe it. the entire chain guitar-amp-speaker-cab is the instrument. (some, include the mic in the chain, i think it is incorrect to do so, because what the guitarist hears when he plays is not the mic's output, it is the cabinet's output which the mic tries to capture.)
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Old 27th June 2012, 12:19 AM   #112
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I can share my experience with super 8 cast frame in 5.6 bass reflex cabs.
The clarity and live factor are amazing. I drive it mainly with Dared set amp listening to classical and some jazz.
Having wished many times to have heard the great performers in a concert, I can say with conviction that this set up so far has been as close as I can imagine to a live performance.
Ella Fitzgerald and Miles Davis performed for me in my room as many times as I asked
This is exactly what I am experiencing with my drivers. I find the 15"s are a definite improvement all round for a one driver set-up. Regarding bass: Quality is so much more important than quantity, and these woofers absolutely deliver. I am a bass player and I do not find these 15"s lacking. A lot of guys that build open baffles often put the woofer very close to the ground for the exact same reason you did so need to feel silly about that.

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Old 27th June 2012, 12:27 AM   #113
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Ok guys, lets not get into a debate about music reproduction. You are going to love these speakers Tsiros. I will help you as much as I can. I am absolutely loving what I am hearing at the moment
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Old 27th June 2012, 01:30 AM   #114
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and what does it sound like playing Pink Floyd ? Nine Inch Nails ? Tracy Chapman ? Diana Krall ? Jennifer Warnes ? Bob Segar ?

I don't really care what a piano sounds like, but hearing voice and / or with other stuff is more of an acid test to me. I'm not sure what a piano sounds like in my room.

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Old 27th June 2012, 01:43 AM   #115
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Yeah voice is beautiful. Can you recommend any tracks you specifically like and I will download a hi res version of it and try it out
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Old 27th June 2012, 01:52 AM   #116
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How about: Sade - Smooth Operator. Do you like that?
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Old 27th June 2012, 02:43 AM   #117
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What is the best version of Brick In The Wall
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Old 27th June 2012, 04:14 AM   #118
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I prefer sade "somebody already broke my heart". Awesome bass.

best brick in the wall? probably anything on decent headphones :-)

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Old 27th June 2012, 10:50 AM   #119
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What is not so good with the drivers ?

It is true that resonances in the drivers can become painful depending on the music, the singer (instrument), and where driver resonances fall. Looking closely at the freq response of an an15, there is up to a 10db lift in the presence region. I'm not sure I can live with that unequalized. That may sound hashy. I suspect hearing brushes on cymbals easily may be a clue to that.

My tb 1808 had a +5db lift from 1.5khz-3.5khz, that was annoying. Initially it seemed like detail such as hearing the skin tonality of a floor tom, then it got annoying once you realize it shouldn't be there after listening to flatter speakers and headphones. I sold it. To me, a >$200 8" speaker should not need an equalizer or a notch. But I'm in the minority. People love the 1808, just not me.

That daft punk song originally linked too is an example of learning acid tests in recordings to sniff out problems.

But if your music plus your speaker doesn't set off the resonances, then it is a good match !!!!!!!!

If I remember correctly, Bob Brines said that once you equalized drivers flat, they sound very similar (given same cone size).

Melon Head, did you use the freq shaping circuit with the seas fr22 8" driver ?
Even if you did, there is still a 4db spike at 3khz, but otherwise should be a fine driver.

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usually tweak the top end with a little RC loading across the terminals.

I think you can do better, but not at the price. And of course you can add
a sub and a good high frequency driver."

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I think you can do better, but not at the price. And of course you can add
a sub and a good high frequency driver."

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i was actually thinking the AN15 a top of an 18" low frequency PA driver with a super tweeter in an H frame open baffle set up.

i can't help but think multiways have their merits and quite a few people are very impressed with F.A.S.T. so really this is like a 'very' F.A.S.T system for those who like music to come at them like the jet exhaust on a 747 and can't quite figure out compound horns etc.
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