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Old 23rd May 2012, 09:49 PM   #1
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Default I have a 10W SEP tube amp - Now which DIY speaker to build - Advice?

Having been a novice reader only member on the board for a year I have undertaken a few tube builds and am looking for some expert advice on which speakers to build that will make my 10W modified Elekit TS879S shine!

Currently I have 3 way wharfdale modus speakers, which are nice but only 'bring a tear to my eye' on the very odd occasion. I'm looking to build something that can do better. I am not looking for the 'best' speaker but one that will fill a moderately sized room with a great sound.

I have been looking at the 8 inch metronomes, the frugal horns and spawn series, as well as the tangband kits. Even looked at how to fabricate DDD and John inslows amazing paper horn creations ( beyond my expertise!)... There's a lot out there! I have access to a woodshop with Lathe/Router/Table Saw and a carpentry expert! And I have $500 to spend.


I have middle-aged ears, still in good condition, I can still hear to about 18Khz I listen to a very broad cross-section, but in a nutshell, I like complex and broad arrangements (Tindersticks, Andrew Bird), folk and classical guitar / piano (John Renbourne / Eric Satie) and sixties rock (Love/Airplane/Dead).

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Old 23rd May 2012, 10:05 PM   #2
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Having been a novice reader only member on the board for a year I have undertaken a few tube builds and am looking for some expert advice on which speakers to build that will make my 10W modified Elekit TS879S shine!

Currently I have 3 way wharfdale modus speakers, which are nice but only 'bring a tear to my eye' on the very odd occasion. I'm looking to build something that can do better. I am not looking for the 'best' speaker but one that will fill a moderately sized room with a great sound.

I have been looking at the 8 inch metronomes, the frugal horns and spawn series, as well as the tangband kits. Even looked at how to fabricate DDD and John inslows amazing paper horn creations ( beyond my expertise!)... There's a lot out there! I have access to a woodshop with Lathe/Router/Table Saw and a carpentry expert! And I have $500 to spend.


I have middle-aged ears, still in good condition, I can still hear to about 18Khz I listen to a very broad cross-section, but in a nutshell, I like complex and broad arrangements (Tindersticks, Andrew Bird), folk and classical guitar / piano (John Renbourne / Eric Satie) and sixties rock (Love/Airplane/Dead).

Thanks in advance!
you've answered a few of the questions often posed to a first time speaker builder - and regardless of brand / number of drivers per enclosure, there's probably only a couple left:

physical room size / enclosure dimension constraints, and WAF?

some of the enclosures for higher performance systems, particularly those utilizing larger "full range" single drivers likely to be recommended herein are not small, may have particular placement requirements, and don't fall into the "cute little monkey coffin" style of furniture
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Old 23rd May 2012, 10:35 PM   #3
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Hey Chris - Appreciate the advice and assistance!!!

The room is 12' by 25' by 9' tall. - I have my own room and thus WAF is high as in I have room for anything below 6 feet with a relatively small footprint, within 3x3 feet. Nothing too offensive, she puts up with the eccentric, but I wouldn't want to expand into the ridiculous, unless I can convince her I bought it from phillip stark!

To quote... "Yes dear, "The faces" sound so much better, I can hear all the details in the background, which caspatitor did you change this time? Can I play my "Ryan Adams" records?"

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Old 23rd May 2012, 11:03 PM   #4
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Krishima, Fostex 206en. Or Vulcans. I have Vulcans in a room the size of yours which I have used very successfully with 8wpc SET amps. Are you sure you can hear 18khz? Very few people past 30 can get above 14.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 11:08 PM   #5
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Hey Tom.

I tested myself about a year ago after hearing those annoying hi-frequency ringtones that teenagers use in a local mall. I guess all of those years of careful listening kept them in good working order And when I said middle aged...I spoke as a 30 something smoking 20 a day LOL
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Old 23rd May 2012, 11:37 PM   #6
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Your a lucky man, I'm serious about the horns though.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 11:39 PM   #7
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Krishima, Fostex 206en. Or Vulcans. I have Vulcans in a room the size of yours which I have used very successfully with 8wpc SET amps. Are you sure you can hear 18khz? Very few people past 30 can get above 14.

I find the combination of the annoying dip in 3-5kHz range that often occurs with age, and constant tinnitus (my last visit to the audiologist ended with her comment "don't fight it with heroic measures, just learn to make it your friend" ) that most causes grief with the upper mids to top end.

I'd be inclined towards perhaps one size smaller driver than the 8" FE206 - i.e FE166E or even FF165WK - although arguably some folks might find the latter could use some gentle help above 10 kHz

If you can spare some room behind the enclosures, I could heartily endorse the Victor/Vulcan designs - although they're at the limit of your 6' height tolerance. I've heard the smaller Maeshowe/Valiant version of this design with FE126E (don't let the driver size fool ya) , as well as the Victor with FE166E - both do dynamics, soundstage scale & depth quite well, and these drivers are particularly synergistic with SE amps.
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Old 24th May 2012, 12:32 AM   #8
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Thanks guys. I came across the woden site a while back. Being an ex-pat I was excited by the simplicity of the designs being a beginner. Whats not mentioned on the site are the listening impressions or comparisons of the two models. Also in my research I hear mixed reviews on fostex vs mark audio drivers...Any further info you guys have would be much appreciated.

I assume these units are to be built using HDF at worst and Baltic ply at best.

Thanks again!

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I could heartily endorse the Victor/Vulcan designs - although they're at the limit of your 6' height tolerance.
Victor is 5' like the Valiant.

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Woden Design Victor for FE166En

That is Maeshowe on the floor.

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I assume these units are to be built using HDF at worst and Baltic ply at best.
One grade ply lower than BB at worst, stranded bamboo ply at best (a challenge to so the bigger ones with this, as it comes in 4x6 sheets.

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