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Old 1st May 2012, 04:32 PM   #1
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Default FF165WK/FF225WK/FE166en

I had some FF225K's in Jericho cabs a while back, and think that kind of thing would be ideal for my new Decware Zen 2wpc SET, but obviously not available anymore.

FF165WK Measurement-
And now for the FF165WK

FE166en Measurement-
Some FR measurements of the new FE166En

Now, one thing I dont get on with, is sibilance, which initially lead me towards the FF##5WK series after my experience with the FF225K, but they dont seem to look as smooth as the older versions, additionally the FE166en looks and apparently sounds quite smooth.

I gather that both the FF165WK and FF225WK would need a super tweeter, FWIW, I found the FF225K ok without a super tweeter.

My room is not large, and high SPL/Bass depth are not as issue, so which do you think may get the closest to the FF225K but in a smaller ported enclosure?

I am after dynamics and open midrange at lower volumes, something I dont think I would get with smaller drivers (IME like the Veravox 5S for example).

I had thought about a bi-pole to get 4Ohms (and higher efficiency) out of some smaller drivers (like the Fountek FE87 that I have spare), as the Zen apparently likes lower impedance/higher efficiency speaker but I dont really have the room to bring the speakers away from the wall.

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Old 1st May 2012, 04:49 PM   #2
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Rob, if you found the FF225K OK without a super tweeter, I'd imagine you'd find at least the same of the FF165WK ( a very competent replacement to the FE167E)

Smaller ported enclosure, hmmm how much smaller than a Jericho? If you mean floorspace, how about a Metronome? I've yet to build one ( I might have heard a bipole with 4" fostex or Hemps a few years back, but it's honestly hard to remember them all - it's too bad I didn't keep a "listening diary" over the past 20yrs, but that would take all the fun out of actively reconstructing the memories )

With the Zen C amp, of the drivers named, I'd be inclined towards the FE166En, which works very in a larger BLH such as BIB, and Woden Victor, but neither could be considered "small"
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Old 1st May 2012, 05:29 PM   #3
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You can try my design ; Has been build several times. Most people use a EL84 SE amp ( 2x 3 watts) even in larger rooms.


FE166En+FT17H "Concerti clone" (lots of pics!!)
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Old 1st May 2012, 05:38 PM   #4
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I really dont have room for horns to be honest, hence looking at ported enclosures. This was my old room with the Jericho's and some ATC SCM7 for size comparison-

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image0045u by hoopsontoast, on Flickr

The current room with Keesonic Kolts (even smaller than the SCM7's and on the same stands)
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Chris, you did hear a pair of HA FR4.5c mets, 4 or 5 years ago at diyFEST.

From listening to FF125/165wk my feeling is that they are smoother than the previous deneration, and are largely missing the annoying JX92-like HF hash that i find so annoying.

Whereas the previous generation of FFs were more suited to enclosures similar to the FExx6, the new FF like boxes even smaller than the FExx7 series,

My pick of the lot is the FF85wk (with helper woofer, but not with ZEN), at the other end the FF225wk probably needs a helper tweeter, althou if you could live without in the prev generation, you can probably live without on the newer.

Our Fonken225s will be in 13-39 litre boxes. FF165 maxs out in about 17 litre.

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Old 1st May 2012, 05:52 PM   #6
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Thanks, Bob Brines seems fine with the FF165WK/FF225WK on their own-
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http://brinesacoustics.com/Pages/B12-F165/Main.html
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Chris, you did hear a pair of HA FR4.5c mets, 4 or 5 years ago at diyFEST.
thought so - but I honestly can't remember my impressions

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From listening to FF125/165wk my feeling is that they are smoother than the previous generation, and are largely missing the annoying JX92-like HF hash that i find so annoying.

Whereas the previous generation of FFs were more suited to enclosures similar to the FExx6, the new FF like boxes even smaller than the FExx7 series,

My pick of the lot is the FF85wk (with helper woofer, but not with ZEN), at the other end the FF225wk probably needs a helper tweeter, althou if you could live without in the prev generation, you can probably live without on the newer.

Our Fonken225s will be in 13-39 litre boxes. FF165 maxs out in about 17 litre.

dave
Keep in mind that the Zen is very happy into lower impedance loads, so if you can accommodate them, something like dual FF125WK in a castle style MLTL might be worth consideration. Since both the small monitors in the photos are shown on stands, and not tight to/hung on walls, a pair of floorstanders would occupy the same (or less) real estate, not to mention save cost on stands.
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Old 1st May 2012, 07:21 PM   #8
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How would the FE168 Sigma (original model) compare to the FF165WK? There are some in the classifieds for around a little cheaper than a pair of 165WK's. I know they are not made for BR enclosures, but it does not model too badly and I dont need/want deep bass.
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My personal opinion is that the most recent drivers have surpassed the 10+ year e∑ (which are more suited to horns anyway, and the even older ones (as in swap-meet) are unknown to me, but i think they want a horn too.

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Old 1st May 2012, 09:55 PM   #10
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Righteo, thanks Dave, seems the FF165WK will be the best all-round choice (as I first thought a good half a year ago before I bought the OA BB3.AL and Fountek FE87's, Doh!)
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