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Bob Brines 5th March 2012 07:06 PM

PLLXO help
 
OK. I'm ready to embark on a PLLXO. I ran some numbers through the spreadsheet and notice that the cap values are several orders of magnitude smaller than speaker level XO's. Questions:

1. In my ignorance, it appears that the low valued caps will have to be ceramics or styrene type bypass caps. True?

2. I have no idea what the amp Z is. I suppose that I can simply assume 100kΩ, see what happens and adjust values acordingly?

3. I intend to use a plate amp to cross the sub. I'll start with 300Hz 1st ordrfor the high-pass.

4. Using a pot for the XO resistor, what kind of frequency range can I expect for a given cap?

Thanks,
Bob

planet10 5th March 2012 07:26 PM

Bob, is this for the Topping?

The amp Z is essentially the R to ground at the input...

For hipass, i have been using this R as the shunt element of the RC filter and just using a cap in front for 1st order... adding an additional shunt R in front decreases the net input R and degrades potential performance if you want to reach for 2nd order and also requires a larger cap.

One of the advantages of PLLXO is that it uses much smaller caps then a passive XO, allowing you to get a much better cap for your budget -- no point in using anything but good poly caps in these.

dave

Bob Brines 5th March 2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet10 (Post 2934417)
Bob, is this for the Topping?

Yes

Quote:

The amp Z is essentially the R to ground at the input...
OK. I can do that. The Topping reads 49kΩ, and old Yami 100kΩ and my p-p tubes 87kΩ

Quote:

For hipass, i have been using this R as the shunt element of the RC filter and just using a cap in front for 1st order... adding an additional shunt R in front decreases the net input R and degrades potential performance if you want to reach for 2nd order and also requires a larger cap.
Putting 49kΩ into the spreadsheet gives 10.8nF. Unless I don't understand the units, which of course is possible, the smallest foil and film cap is 0.01μF, or 10pF and 10^3 too big. Where would you suggest that I sourse the proper caps?

Bob

planet10 5th March 2012 08:56 PM

0.01 is close enuff...

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You can fine tune with a shunt R across the input R.

dave

PeteMcK 5th March 2012 09:19 PM

re:'Using a pot for the XO resistor, what kind of frequency range can I expect for a given cap?' - you can use a resistor in series with the pot to set the range

Bob Brines 5th March 2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet10 (Post 2934542)
0.01 is close enuff...

Ah! So the units on the spreadsheet are really μF. I'll buy some parts for a patch box and see what happens.

Thanks,
Bob

901Fixer 6th March 2012 11:28 AM

Doesn't it go:
milli = 10^-3
micro -6
nano -9
pico -12

Pico being smaller than nano that is. .01 micro = 10 nano?

Rev. Billy Bob 6th March 2012 10:58 PM

PLLXO help
 
Here's on online converter that may help.
Online Conversion - Electric Capacitance

eta -When I ran 49 kohms through my first order calculator @ 300hz, my result was C1 = 1.0816326530612E-8 farads, so I think you are on the right track

Bob Brines 7th March 2012 02:13 AM

Thanks, guys.

Bob

pforeman 6th April 2012 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planet10 (Post 2934417)
Bob, is this for the Topping?

The amp Z is essentially the R to ground at the input...

dave

Is this also true when using a volume pot. Or is the input impedance now the impedance of the volume pot
Paul


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