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Old 14th February 2012, 04:08 AM   #1
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Default Best fullranger for voice?

Hello there. I am looking for fullrange speakers that can do it all. Now the drivers have to have a natural sound for the voices. It's like they are in the room with you. I am looking from the 3 inch fullrange drivers to the 5 1/2 inch drivers. I might go with a 6 1/2 inch fullrange drivers but, it depends on how big the box and how much they cost. Thanks jm
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Old 14th February 2012, 12:11 PM   #2
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It is a HomeTheater application or Stereo Hi-Fi?? If it is Hi-Fi stick with medium size paper cones (6 to 8 inches).
3 inches FR is a tweeter, it had no capability to do Baritone and Bass voices and maybe Tenor voices.

I would propose the Visaton B200 or the Dayton PS220-8, both are 8 inches, work in OB(no enclousure) and paper cones.
The Dayton also double as tweeter, it can go til 25kHz.
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Old 14th February 2012, 01:52 PM   #3
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The Fostex and TB i've heard (any size) provide excellent voice. But my favorite is the 12" Eminence Beta 12lta (modified with phase plug on open baffle) providing the most realistic vocals i've ever heard. You will jump out of your skin thinking the performers are in the room. I'm totally sold on the idea that large diameter drivers provide the best sound but understand why others would think otherwise.

Once you get used to the benefits of full range drivers it will be difficult to go back to multi way designs that muck with the vocal range.
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If you want reality in size then you have to go bigger than 3"

Best for vocals that I've heard till now are Corals
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Old 14th February 2012, 06:06 PM   #5
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I picked up a pair of inexpensive NOS/NIB Radio Shack 6" FR drivers (#40-1285D) on flea-bay.
I put the in a pair of roughly 20 liter cabinets with aperiodic loading.
Powered by a low-wattage SE tube amp, the realism is almost unsettling?

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Old 14th February 2012, 06:31 PM   #6
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"I am looking for fullrange speakers that can do it all."

"Best fullranger for voice?"

Every speaker (driver) is a compromise. None of them do everything perfectly. Just saying that maybe you are expecting too much.

Rather than trying to pick 'the best' on your first time around, I suggest just picking a moderate cost driver and trying it out. There are 2 schools of thought on the 'best' driver in the fullranger camp: Those who prefer small diameter drivers (say, 5 inches and less) and those who prefer the larger drivers (6 - 15 inches). To some extent the sound quality really does divide up that way. I suggest that you try an example (pair) of each. Try one of the newer small drivers from Fostex or Mark Audio, and one of the larger drivers like the Eminence Beta 12 LTA, the Wild Burro betsy or Betsy K, or a pair of vintage EV LS-8's or 12's. To my ears, the larger drivers generally offer a fuller, more natural voice reproduction, and convey the scale and 'ebb and flow' of the music better. The smaller drivers provide a more detailed sound from the midrange through the HF, and have greater HF extension. The larger drivers are generally more efficient than the smaller ones, and therefore more suitable for use with low power amplifiers. There are exceptions to all of these generalizations.

I have and like both (large and small), but prefer the larger drivers. Please understand that the opinions offered above are not 'right'. Those are just my preferences. It's hard to say what you will prefer. You will not know without trying out a few drivers.

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Old 14th February 2012, 06:37 PM   #7
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Agree with Bob above and Zilla. I prefer larger drivers too. It's all about dynamics. Larger drivers convey dynamics better, and sound more real.

I would throw in Audio Nirvana in there too. Great price/performance ratio. Obviously, the Beta 12LTA is a great choice also.
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"I would throw in Audio Nirvana in there too. Great price/performance ratio."

Yes, they are highly competitive drivers with a great price/performance ratio. I really wanted to recommend them, but most (all?) of the larger, moderate priced ones have a relatively low Qts (0.22 and lower), making them difficult to use in simple enclosures (BR, OB, IB). I made the assumption that drivers best suited to horn loading would not be a good choice for someone who is new to full range drivers. OTOH, if the person had good wood-working skills the Audio Nirvana drivers (and some of the Fostex drivers) would be quite suitable. Unless the listed T/S parameters are way off (Qts especially), most of them are best suited to horn enclosures. Then again, some folks evidently do like them in simple BR's.

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Old 14th February 2012, 07:26 PM   #9
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Yeah, Audio Nirvanas, some of the larger Fostex drivers and most Lowthers will not produce much bass unless horn-loaded. The other option is OB. I've had success with an AN supported by various 15" woofers on an OB. Makes for an excellent system. Hard to beat in terms of price as well as time and effort put into making it (if that sorta thing is important to you).
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Old 14th February 2012, 08:07 PM   #10
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Thankyou everyone for your input. I guess the biggest I would go is 8 inchs but that is pushing it. I think a really good 6 1/2 fullrange driver would be ideal. I guess I will have to do some research on fullrange drivers alittle more and see which one is the best fit. Now some of the (A.N.) Drivers are on back order and fostex raised thier prices ayear go. I can only wait for so long. I wish there was a hifi store with every fullrange driver you could buy and very kinda box you could use them in but, that would be a very, very big dream to full fill. Thanks again I might have to save up more money or try to get the best bang for the buck without breaking the bank. Thanks jm

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