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Old 10th January 2012, 08:23 AM   #21
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Interesting concept, the use of a helmholtz resonator. Would you tune the port to the resonant frequency of the internal standing wave_?
Yup, I believe the idea is to have an additional enclosed volume of air. Then tune it as a Helmholtz resonator to the relevant frequency, just like you would a regular port. It then acts like a kind of narrow band acoustic black hole. Obviously the volumes and port sizes are much smaller for the higher frequencies involved.

I should say that I've not tried this technique myself. I also believe that Elipson have a patent on this application, so not for commercial applications.

Neko88, remember that with the driver removed that you will effectively have made the driver cutout a port/helmoltz resonator too, this is likely to be the 185Hz resonance.

There could be coincidence going on here. A sphere has the least troublesome diffraction signature of any enclosure, but it still produces a step in response. That could be combining with the coincident internal resonance (its got to be a similar frequency as the physical dimensions between the outside and inside are similar in a sphere).

Unless you have some measuring kit (its really cheap these days: PC+ARTA+behringer mic) its going to be hard not to continue guessing. Try the divider, it might do the trick. Good luck!
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Old 11th January 2012, 12:39 AM   #22
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I tried searching for the patent but had no luck. Do you know where it can be found? Searching elipson nothing comes up, and when using other key words there are just too many patents that come up.
Thanks for the driver cut out port resonance (I forgot about that!).
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Old 11th January 2012, 03:13 PM   #23
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I don't know the specific details of the patent. Elipson just states the application is patented in the link I posted
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Old 11th January 2012, 07:03 PM   #24
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You will need a bridging piece between two hemispheres as above, because two wooden hemispheres will not have the same shape perimeter. This bridge will mess with any standing waves. Other than that, build and listen. No audio device is perfect, the skill is to match its failings with your own prejudices.

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Old 20th January 2012, 11:10 AM   #25
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neko88 - If you can stuff the enclosure with wadding and it makes no difference, the problem is not internal.
It is more likely an external reflection from a near surface, given that the driver showed no problem on an OB.
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