Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Full Range
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th October 2011, 08:54 PM   #1
goody75 is offline goody75  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Motown (area)
Default Highest Qts for TL design?

What is the highest Qts driver that you could successfully put in a transmission line cabinet? I've read some people actually think around 0.7 is best because it produces too much low end and when damping the peak above the cabinet tuning, the end result is more flat. This is not the best explanation but my point is a 0.7 Qts is possibly considered an optimal value by some people.

If I want to accentuate the bass on a vintage full range driver with a Qts closer to 1, and want to avoid a sub or helper woofer, is a TL cabinet an appropriate choice?

I've also read that you can use resistors in parallel with a driver to get a higher effective Qts, does that mean that I could use a resistor in parallel with this driver and lower the Qts? If this is possible are there any tradeoffs I should be aware of?
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2011, 12:23 AM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Wellington
There is a very serious tradeoff. Remember that the amplifier output is in parallel with the driver, and the amplifier's "resistance" is (in most cases) very nearly a short circuit. There is no practical value of additional parallel resistor which would make any significant difference to the Qts. It is possible to design the amplifier so that it appears as a "negative resistance" which will lower the overall Qts, but this is not a straightforward approach. A more practical approach might be to calculate a Linkwitz Transform filter to suppress the underdamped resonance peak.
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2011, 09:24 AM   #3
DrBoar is offline DrBoar  Sweden
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Stockholm
There is a trick of using a serial capacitor, this will lower and flatten the bass somewhat. The cap is interacting wiht the inductive part of the drivers peak ( the left side of the driver peak, lowering a bit and thus getting more energy in the driver slightly below Fr).

There are two TLS schools. The first, the infinite line way is to have a lot of damping material in the pipe and "lose" the fundamental resonance in the pipe. Here a high Q driver works well. But a similar result can be obtained by resistive vents as Dynaudios Variovents.
The second school treat the TLS as any other resonating quarter wave pipe and try to keep as much as possible of the fundamental resonances radiation resistance (minimal cone motion) and selectively reduce the unwanted harmonic resonances. This is done by placement of damping material and folds of the pipe.

If you extend the bass of such a high Q driver below Fr without using things like negative resistance you will get quite poor transient response regardless if you use a pipe or bass reflex.

I like TLS but it is not a magical thing that will turn a boomy driver to deliver controlled deep bass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2011, 10:15 AM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Tyrone Ga. U.S.A.
Placing a resistor in parallel with the speaker should lower QTS just a little not raise it. But placing a resistor in seriese with a speaker will raise the QTS. How much resistance is needed depends a lot on the driver. I have one driver 8ohm with a QTS of .186 that would need a a 20 ohm resistor to raise it to .522 . On the other hand
just an ohm or 2 may be very effective in raising the QTS of some drivers. But you waste a lot of power this way.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Collated Design Criteria/dimensions for Ariel ML-TL Design talsius Full Range 1 13th October 2011 05:28 AM
Need help for TL design heinz1964 Multi-Way 19 9th December 2010 03:26 PM
what sounds best . . . Low Qts in small cab or higher Qts in bigger cab mikelm Subwoofers 18 15th July 2009 10:46 AM
Highest quality design D_o_S Solid State 45 20th January 2008 07:05 PM
TL design inrank Multi-Way 3 1st November 2006 04:10 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:38 PM.

Page generated in 0.09361 seconds (74.75% PHP - 25.25% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio