Here are the measurements on a new pair of FF165WK's. The T/S specs are out-of-the-box. The RTA is with maybe 10hr.
I loaded the 165's in a pair of BR's that I had designed for the FE167E. The boxes are a bit big and tuned a bit low. I think that the ideal BR will be ~21L @45Hz. Anyway....
The new 165's have a sound very close to the old 167E's A bit firmer in the bass --note there is not BSC on the 165's. The bump @ 200Hz is probably baffle hump. The 165's are a bit sibilant as the FR would suggest. The only filter I see at this point is a low Q notch @4-7kHz.
I am pleased with the 165's They are drop-ins for the 167E's in my MLTL's where they sound better than the 166En's I forced into a modified MLTL. The highs are good enough for older ears, though the bat-eared will want a tweeter.
The FR traces are:
Black=0*
Red=15*
Blue=30*
Green=45*
Gray=Combined driver/port
Bob
I loaded the 165's in a pair of BR's that I had designed for the FE167E. The boxes are a bit big and tuned a bit low. I think that the ideal BR will be ~21L @45Hz. Anyway....
The new 165's have a sound very close to the old 167E's A bit firmer in the bass --note there is not BSC on the 165's. The bump @ 200Hz is probably baffle hump. The 165's are a bit sibilant as the FR would suggest. The only filter I see at this point is a low Q notch @4-7kHz.
I am pleased with the 165's They are drop-ins for the 167E's in my MLTL's where they sound better than the 166En's I forced into a modified MLTL. The highs are good enough for older ears, though the bat-eared will want a tweeter.
The FR traces are:
Black=0*
Red=15*
Blue=30*
Green=45*
Gray=Combined driver/port
Bob
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I loaded the 165's in a pair of BR's that I had designed for the FE167E. The boxes are a bit big and tuned a bit low.
Hey Bob...do you think this may be why you are getting some sibilance out of them??
sibilance
This is around an octave wide BW centered at ~6.7 kHz, so excessive peaking in the ~4.7 - 9.5 kHz BW is in theory to be avoided, yet many folks [though hardly all] find this adds a nice 'sharpness'/'inner detail' to many recordings depending on the type of signal chain combined with perceived tonal balance [flatness of response] at the listening position
GM
sideways - if you mean the 85WKs, "nothing wrong" is a pretty good assessment - other than the obvious limitations of bass and max SPL - ain't no breaking the laws of physics
Bob - I trust you meant phase plugs on the 167s, not 165s? AFAIC, the several new materials and design advancements in the WK series - particularly that ridged metal "dust-cap/ tweeter" definitely represent a major performance improvement. Of the bunch, I think the only one I've not yet heard is the 225, which I gather would be the only one most folks would find required a tweeter - if I didn't already have too many speakers, I could probably live with any of them in a system
- what am I saying, who can have too many speakers? - certainly not a builder
Bob - I trust you meant phase plugs on the 167s, not 165s? AFAIC, the several new materials and design advancements in the WK series - particularly that ridged metal "dust-cap/ tweeter" definitely represent a major performance improvement. Of the bunch, I think the only one I've not yet heard is the 225, which I gather would be the only one most folks would find required a tweeter - if I didn't already have too many speakers, I could probably live with any of them in a system
- what am I saying, who can have too many speakers? - certainly not a builder
The 85's are great...no sibilance or anything nasty at all...a real pleasure to listen too...and that's coming from a guy with very sensitive ears to nasty's and sibilance LOL!!!
That's what strikes me funny what Bob said about the 165's...there seems to be a bit of an increase in that 4-6k region but nothing huge that would cause a concern...especially once put in a box where the bass can be lifted to offset...
And I thinking that through right???
That's what strikes me funny what Bob said about the 165's...there seems to be a bit of an increase in that 4-6k region but nothing huge that would cause a concern...especially once put in a box where the bass can be lifted to offset...
And I thinking that through right???
Well, everything is relative WRT tonal balance, so listening off axis is the most common way to deal with a rising and/or 'peaky' response and if the speaker isn't near any walls, corners, then some form BSC is usually required to either lift up the ~<200-300 Hz BW and/or shelve down the BW above it except possibly its extreme HF as Bob has already noted.
Note too that historically, tonally flat is considered +/- 3 dB, though where it was +/- and over how wide a BW determines a speaker's signature 'tone', so plenty of latitude for customizing it to suit the needs of the app.
GM
Note too that historically, tonally flat is considered +/- 3 dB, though where it was +/- and over how wide a BW determines a speaker's signature 'tone', so plenty of latitude for customizing it to suit the needs of the app.
GM
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