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Old 15th December 2010, 08:36 PM   #51
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sreten, the mechanics of musical reproduction requires the math of an electrical engineer, while the enjoyment of music, at least in my experience, is an almost completely subjective experience. It looks like you have found the perfect place to use your math to beat up on subjectivity.

But since no one is refuting your math about the Zen amp, I have to take what you say into consideration. So in the future when I use the amp, I will listen to the music and not the math. Maybe you could try the amp that way and let us know your subjective experience?
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Old 15th December 2010, 09:31 PM   #52
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The FE126En is back in stock at Madisound. I just ordered two for the Mk3 project.
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Old 15th December 2010, 09:57 PM   #53
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sreten, the mechanics of musical reproduction requires the math of
an electrical engineer, while the enjoyment of music, at least in my
experience, is an almost completely subjective experience. It looks
like you have found the perfect place to use your math to beat up
on subjectivity.

But since no one is refuting your math about the Zen amp, I have
to take what you say into consideration. So in the future when I
use the amp, I will listen to the music and not the math.
Maybe you could try the amp that way and let us know your
subjective experience?
Hi,

Your missing the point. What you hear is what you hear.

You don't have to believe every claim you read, especially if
it can be compared realistically to other cases and analysed.

I'm not beating up on subjectivity, I don't like technical claims
that when examined are at best vague, or at worst "artifice".

In the worse case subjectively people think by agreeing
with the claim they know something they simply do not.

If you think such matching is subjective, I'm sorry it isn't.
It is simple, and a consequence of the design choices, but
as I've said I'm not going to go into those details further.

My personal opinion is the real facts are not presented straight.
(Like the "development" of the FE206E phase plug/waveguide.)
It won't change your amplifiers actual performance one iota.

I'n not going to suggest you go off and do something to examine
what your saying, IDNM, I know what I know, I'm happy with that.

rgds, sreten.

I've modded lots of turntables for subjective improvements,
all based on sound engineering principles as to what to do.
I simply don't have the test equipment to confirm any of it.
Asked I say well its most likely this, but who really knows.
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Old 16th December 2010, 08:02 AM   #54
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sreten, are you throwing around latin? IDNM is In Dei Nomine (In the Name of God).

Yeah, I think you are right, I missed your point. You were clear that you are bothered about the claims for the amp, and not how it actually sounds. I am bothered that as I remember, the amp sounded pretty good back when I was using it, and you are now saying the designer is spouting gibberish. Is it just good luck that the amp works at all? I would like to know, and we aren't getting anywhere here. So if you don't mind, I will start a tread on this topic in the amp section, and quote (fairly) some of your comments.
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Old 16th December 2010, 01:58 PM   #55
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Hi,

IDNM I meant "It does not matter", I should have checked that, I didn't.
I'm not saying the designer is spouting gibberish, just that he has a
penchant for overegging the pudding in what he says about stuff.

rgds, sreten.
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Old 16th December 2010, 03:06 PM   #56
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Hi,

IDNM I meant "It does not matter", I should have checked that, I didn't.
I'm not saying the designer is spouting gibberish, just that he has a
penchant for overegging the pudding in what he says about stuff.

rgds, sreten.
I love the sound of several of his products - some of which are simple enough to inspire diyers to roll their own version, but certainly no argument on your last point.
The guy's been quite successful for over 10 yrs, has a loyal following, has given a lot of folks (myself included) great customer service, and hasn't leaked any government top secrets to the press, so let's let it go .

no, I haven't partaken in the special kool-aid at his or Ed's annual BBQs

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