Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Full Range
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 3rd November 2010, 02:58 AM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Default Voigt Pipe Fullrange with Radiator

This is a hybrid design I created with small (desktop) size in mind. Its a partially stuffed folded pipe with driver 1/3rd from tapered end. I added a passive radiator in place of a vent to hold in the sulphur hexafluoride gas. Sound in this gas is slowed down to 44% of its speed in normal air. It is 6 times denser than air.

Fountek FR135EX 5" Full Range
https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8817

Peerless 5.25" Mini Passive Radiator
https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=1748

SPKR SF6 PASSRAD VOIGHT .png

Now to build and test.

Quoting Bentoronto from this Instantly deepen your sub?

"The heavy gas, SH6, works in a few different ways.

Tucked behind the driver, it adds to the room in the box.

Tucked into the horn, it makes for a big horn. Similar but nutty variations of front-face gas loading are possible as in the patent pictures.

The third way is by magnifying the cone surface area. Instead of shaking a heavy chuck of cardboard to move air directly, you are using that cone (with force transfered by the heavy gas) to shake a far larger membrane surface.

These gas-filled boxes breathe a bit. About once a year or two, I have to set my speakers so that the gas falls to the bottom and the valve (a Schrader tire valve!) is at the top. After settling a few hours, I add or relieve some air.

I'm no authority to trust, but I think SH6 is pretty inert and innocuous. It can still leak out, like any gas. The danger is that it is an invisible gas that collects in low spots and might get in the way of normal human breathing - and be dangerous.

Given the dramatic lowering of bass resonance(s), sure seems like a good idea for DIYers to try. No leading-edge technology needed. But what do I know?"

Last edited by Seyeklopz; 3rd November 2010 at 03:06 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2010, 07:22 AM   #2
CLS is offline CLS  Taiwan
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Taiwan
To avoid all kinds of troubles related to gas leak, how about freezing the air inside?

By dropping the temperature, air gets denser. Talk about fridge-like speaker! LOL
  Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2010, 07:26 AM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
chris661's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lancashire
Blog Entries: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seyeklopz View Post
.........

Tucked into the horn, it makes for a big horn. Similar but nutty variations of front-face gas loading are possible as in the patent pictures.

The third way is by magnifying the cone surface area. Instead of shaking a heavy chuck of cardboard to move air directly, you are using that cone (with force transfered by the heavy gas) to shake a far larger membrane surface.

........
In that case, wouldn't it be better to have more than one of these passive radiators, or maybe even go to an 8" one?
__________________
"Throwing parts at a failure is like throwing sponges at a rainstorm." - Enzo
My setup: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi...tang-band.html
  Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2010, 03:13 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Shouldn't be much leakage with the interior coated and sealing putty under the driver rims.

More concerned with the internal volume, but a pair of side radiators would be interesting.

"Tucked behind the driver, it adds to the room in the box."
  Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2010, 04:52 PM   #5
frugal-phile(tm)
diyAudio Moderator
 
planet10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Victoria, BC, NA, Sol III
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seyeklopz View Post
Shouldn't be much leakage with the interior coated and sealing putty under the driver rims.
When Dayton-Wright did this the gas was in a plastic bag.

dave
__________________
community sites t-linespeakers.org, frugal-horn.com ........ commercial site planet10-HiFi
p10-hifi forum here at diyA
  Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2010, 11:51 PM   #6
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris661 View Post
In that case, wouldn't it be better to have more than one of these passive radiators, or maybe even go to an 8" one?
Two rads on split face.

SPKR SF6 PASSRAD VOIGHT rev1 .jpg
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2010, 12:12 AM   #7
sreten is offline sreten  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brighton UK
Hi, I'd walk before you can run and take on board very dubious claims, rgds, sreten.

undefinition
Zaph|Audio
FRD Consortium tools guide
RJB Audio Projects
Speaker Design Works
HTGuide Forum - A Guide to HTguide.com Completed Speaker Designs.
Humble Homemade Hifi
Click below to go to
Quarter Wavelength Loudspeaker Design
The Frugal-Horns Site -- High Performance, Low Cost DIY Horn Designs
Linkwitz Lab - Loudspeaker Design
Music and Design
__________________
There is nothing so practical as a really good theory - Ludwig Boltzmann
When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail - Abraham Maslow
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
voigt pipe new design? zycomatique Full Range 4 20th July 2010 06:00 PM
Voigt pipe as a TQWT Keriwena Multi-Way 5 21st June 2010 10:17 AM
Voigt Pipe is looking for new home mkapszewicz Full Range 9 21st December 2009 02:17 PM
Folded Voigt Pipe Ropie Full Range 18 2nd November 2005 03:31 PM
MTM on a Voigt Pipe ? johninCR Full Range 2 8th April 2005 06:20 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 07:28 AM.

Page generated in 0.10247 seconds (77.62% PHP - 22.38% MySQL) with 11 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio