Visaton B200 Vs. Wild Burro Betsy...

Manolo47 · 9th October 2010, 03:20 PM

Hi to all:

I would like to experiment with an OB using one set of these drivers and was wondering if it would be worthwhile experimenting w/ the Betsy first and then going on w /the Visatons.. or just go ahead and go w/ the Visatons. What would users w/ experience w/ both drivers recommend. Thanks.

pjanda1 · 14th October 2010, 03:48 PM

I think rjbond3rd had a thread where he compared the two. I, of course, thought it was a favorable comparison! You might dig it up or shoot him a PM for an opinion less biased than my own.

Paul
Wild Burro Audio Labs - DIY Full Range Speakers

rjbond3rd · 14th October 2010, 04:06 PM

Hi guys,

You are right, Paul. Betsy came out really well. The Betsy is easy to work with, and is vastly less expensive. There was no fussing, it worked out of the box for me on the large Dark Star OB that is on your site. I was so happy.

And then I had to try the Visatons. It's much harder to work with! It demands patience and perfectionism. It's a sort of Mt. Everest thing. It is much more expensive, really high-end construction but I spent months on a quest trying to really tame it. Then you may end up with at least a notch filter, maybe digital EQ, phase plugs etc.

I will never forget that night when the Betsy's were installed. It was amazing. It was the first time I heard OB in my living room and it was beautiful. Maybe I should have stopped there. The B200 turned into a quest lasting many months and frankly, it exhausted me but others have enjoyed the challenge.

Bottom line (in my opinion):
Betsy: plug-n-play and within its design limits, it just works.
B200: more raw potential, it requires tremendous patience and extensive experimentation. It kinda drove me nuts.

Thread:
OB: Dark Star Shootout - Betsy vs. B200

BHTX · 15th October 2010, 04:15 AM

What size voice coil is used on the Betsy and Betsy-K? What is the former material? I wonder what off-axis response looks like.

pjanda1 · 15th October 2010, 12:54 PM

1" voice coil, Kapton former. I'm sure I have some off axis charts somewhere. I'll look when I have the chance.

Paul
Wild Burro Audio Labs - DIY Full Range Speakers

tinitus · 15th October 2010, 01:48 PM

speaking of off axis
at the moment I enjoy listening to a very simple floor based omni

I plan to try it with Betsy

Manolo47 · 15th October 2010, 02:38 PM

rjbond3rd, do you still listen to the Betsy OB? And whatever happened with the Visaton implementation.

Thank you very much to all.

Godzilla · 15th October 2010, 04:13 PM

>>> speaking of off axis

Tinitus, i like that simple design very much! it's OB correct... so sound comes out the bottom? you can play with the angles too and enjoy nicely dispersed sound throughout the room. Did you follow a design or just make something unique?

Zilla

tinitus · 15th October 2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla

>>> speaking of off axis

........ or just make something unique?

Zilla

if lucky

well, I did consider very carefully how to avoid compromises, and still kept simplest possible, and small

but it seems like the close coupling to the floor has some advantage

well, at least its cheap and easy to try it

very low ""show" factor
but maybe high WAF factor
might even be "multi place able"
Now I think about it again, maybe it could be mounted on a wall also
might be used in low power surround, etc

whatever, mine will be 2way, with 2" alu cone tweeter
but thats a different story

luppe · 30th December 2012, 08:36 AM

I try ed the betsy and the visaton next each other and they both have there strong points
Betsy very clean and good highs
Visaton have a more warm sound

the best sound was to let them play together
so I'm going to build them together in one OB and see what happens

9th October 2010, 03:20 PM	#1
Manolo47 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Juan	Visaton B200 Vs. Wild Burro Betsy... Hi to all: I would like to experiment with an OB using one set of these drivers and was wondering if it would be worthwhile experimenting w/ the Betsy first and then going on w /the Visatons.. or just go ahead and go w/ the Visatons. What would users w/ experience w/ both drivers recommend. Thanks.

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14th October 2010, 03:48 PM	#2
pjanda1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO	I think rjbond3rd had a thread where he compared the two. I, of course, thought it was a favorable comparison! You might dig it up or shoot him a PM for an opinion less biased than my own. Paul Wild Burro Audio Labs - DIY Full Range Speakers

14th October 2010, 04:06 PM	#3
rjbond3rd diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Hi guys, You are right, Paul. Betsy came out really well. The Betsy is easy to work with, and is vastly less expensive. There was no fussing, it worked out of the box for me on the large Dark Star OB that is on your site. I was so happy. And then I had to try the Visatons. It's much harder to work with! It demands patience and perfectionism. It's a sort of Mt. Everest thing. It is much more expensive, really high-end construction but I spent months on a quest trying to really tame it. Then you may end up with at least a notch filter, maybe digital EQ, phase plugs etc. I will never forget that night when the Betsy's were installed. It was amazing. It was the first time I heard OB in my living room and it was beautiful. Maybe I should have stopped there. The B200 turned into a quest lasting many months and frankly, it exhausted me but others have enjoyed the challenge. Bottom line (in my opinion): Betsy: plug-n-play and within its design limits, it just works. B200: more raw potential, it requires tremendous patience and extensive experimentation. It kinda drove me nuts. Thread: OB: Dark Star Shootout - Betsy vs. B200

15th October 2010, 04:15 AM	#4
BHTX diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006	What size voice coil is used on the Betsy and Betsy-K? What is the former material? I wonder what off-axis response looks like.

15th October 2010, 12:54 PM	#5
pjanda1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO	1" voice coil, Kapton former. I'm sure I have some off axis charts somewhere. I'll look when I have the chance. Paul Wild Burro Audio Labs - DIY Full Range Speakers

15th October 2010, 02:38 PM	#7
Manolo47 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Juan	rjbond3rd, do you still listen to the Betsy OB? And whatever happened with the Visaton implementation. Thank you very much to all.

15th October 2010, 04:13 PM	#8
Godzilla diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York	>>> speaking of off axis Tinitus, i like that simple design very much! it's OB correct... so sound comes out the bottom? you can play with the angles too and enjoy nicely dispersed sound throughout the room. Did you follow a design or just make something unique? Zilla

30th December 2012, 08:36 AM	#10
luppe diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2012	I try ed the betsy and the visaton next each other and they both have there strong points Betsy very clean and good highs Visaton have a more warm sound the best sound was to let them play together so I'm going to build them together in one OB and see what happens