Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Full Range
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 27th July 2010, 12:23 PM   #1
freddi is offline freddi  United States
diyAudio Member
 
freddi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Default Mid size 8" Karlson coupler for fullrange

built for me by John Lapaire will examine several aperture including these two wildly different scenario and impedance openings suggested by Carl Neuser. This coupler's hieght is 20" Carl has a 26.5" high coupler with Fe206E. In accordance with Karlson patent 3540544 it features a curved upper reflector, and its rear lowpass choke shelf is variable. There's a slight stub to the shelf to allow adding an incremental front deflection shelf.


Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.


Slow taper
Click the image to open in full size.

Slow taper parameters - 83.6 square inch total aperture

Gap Slope p q Area Length Wmax
0.25 1.5 3 12 83.6 18.5 12


x w
0.00 0.50
1.00 0.50
2.00 0.52
3.00 0.55
4.00 0.62
5.00 0.74
6.00 0.92
7.00 1.16
8.00 1.49
9.00 1.91
10.00 2.43
11.00 3.07
12.00 3.84
13.00 4.74
14.00 5.78
15.00 6.97
16.00 8.29
17.00 9.73
18.00 11.24
18.50 12.00

********************

Fast taper
Click the image to open in full size.

Fast taper parameters, 131.9 square inch aperture

Gap Slope p q Area Length Wmax
0.5 2.9 1.08 9.5 131.9 18.5 12



Aperture
x w
0 0.50
1 0.78
2 1.10
3 1.43
4 1.76
5 2.11
6 2.46
7 2.81
8 3.17
9 3.54
10 3.91
11 4.30
12 4.72
13 5.18
14 5.73
15 6.43
16 7.38
17 8.72
18 10.69
18.5 12.00

back of cabinet
Click the image to open in full size.

Last edited by freddi; 27th July 2010 at 12:28 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th July 2010, 02:48 PM   #2
GM is offline GM  United States
diyAudio Member
 
GM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Chamblee, Ga.
Sweet! Looking forward to your findings!

GM
__________________
Loud is Beautiful if it's Clean! As always though, the usual disclaimers apply to this post's contents.
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th July 2010, 03:16 PM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Scottmoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
Looks good to me too.
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2010, 03:07 AM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Hi there: The box and coupler look fantastic. Is the total box volume about 1.5 cf and the back volume (behind the driver board and curved panel) about ).7 cf? How is the back volume calculated from driver T/S parameters? Is the 0.5-inch x 12-inch gap calculated as a port? Hope you will post your listening experiences. ...regards, Michael
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 03:04 AM   #5
freddi is offline freddi  United States
diyAudio Member
 
freddi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
hi Michael - you've got a keen eye - that's about the rear volume and that slot will be the rear port - hope its large enough. I had someone's ancient 8" driver coupler laying around about this size that have pretty good impact on a drum. K-builder Carl gives a rough estimate of rear chamber volume to be (Vas*Qts*fs)/50

Carl doesn't post nor give out full details - here's an old Sigma coupler with a 2/3 height slot and another 8"/10" coupler (perhaps 28" tall) with laminated veneer K-tube waveguide. He has a 26.5" tall coupler for FE206E with the same cross-section as the test box being built for me but not seen a picture yet.

radial arc wings will be tested on mine along with those two extremes. I think the fast flare aperture may work with weaker drivers such as B20. Tighter and slower flaring apertures add more mass load so require stronger motor.

Best, Freddy

Click the image to open in full size.Click the image to open in full size.

Last edited by freddi; 30th July 2010 at 03:08 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 03:59 AM   #6
freddi is offline freddi  United States
diyAudio Member
 
freddi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Here's fresh pictures of 3 apertures for the coupler - I'd expect the fast opening to work with weak motor fullrange (B20?) thanks to John Lapaire for great and patient work.

Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.

Last edited by freddi; 30th July 2010 at 04:08 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 02:08 PM   #7
borispm is offline borispm  Hong Kong
diyAudio Member
 
borispm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via MSN to borispm
Can anyone tell me how the Karlson coupler works? It seems to be a pretty popular and successful design long long time ago. Very hard to find the explanation though. It seems to me there are 2 resonators ( 2 chambers)
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 02:09 PM   #8
freddi is offline freddi  United States
diyAudio Member
 
freddi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
radial wings in place
Click the image to open in full size.
FE206EN/etc. coupler on top of John Lapaire's K15 home/pa system
Click the image to open in full size.
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 03:01 PM   #9
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Toronto and Delray Beach, FL
Hey Freddi, are you sure that isn't a Tapped Horn?

If I recall my 1957 15 inch, some parts were shellacced and the only damping was a curved segment of paper-covered kapok (ancient house insulation batt?) stapled on the floor of the chamber behind the driver covering maybe 1/2 of the surface.

What a cello sound! Organ music too, at least for E. Power Biggs' low notes of the time.
__________________
Dennesen ESL tweets, Dayton-Wright ESL (110-3200Hz), Klipschorn mixed-bass woofer w/param. EQ plus 1954 AR-1W or giant OB
HiFi construction since 1956
  Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2010, 03:05 PM   #10
freddi is offline freddi  United States
diyAudio Member
 
freddi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
re: tapped - have to ask Tom Danley on that one but K15 might be looked partly as one with a short path. I've built an 18" driver sealed rear chamber "klam" and as there's no rear wave contribution its working as coupled cavity. Karlson and Wayne Green's K15 had 3 damping pads with the thickest pad under the rear lowpass shelf.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Karlson coupler for Nirvana super 10 freddi Full Range 0 8th May 2010 08:31 PM
There's a new Karlson-coupler discussion forum - rekruits needed freddi Multi-Way 0 29th December 2007 04:00 PM
Drum dynamics and Karlson-coupler freddi Multi-Way 2 21st February 2007 01:48 AM
Picking karlson coupler stuff freddi Multi-Way 0 6th February 2007 03:14 PM
What are some decent drivers for a small/mid size center channel speaker (1 mid,1 tw) kehi Multi-Way 24 21st December 2003 08:10 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:30 PM.

Page generated in 0.11340 seconds (79.94% PHP - 20.06% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio