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Old 29th April 2010, 06:04 AM   #81
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Peter Huang> What you're suggesting is exactly what I've been trying to sim the last couple of days. Hornresp is giving me grief...
I might just have to spring for a set of MJK matcad worksheets.

CLS> Basshorns... it could possibly ben an option down the line?
Why dipole?

ctrevith> The only name I've encountered before are Supravox. How would you rate them against Lowthers?
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Old 29th April 2010, 07:29 AM   #82
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Why dipole?
Why not?

1. easy to build
2. small footprint
3. excellent sound quality

True horn loaded and dipole are the top 2 methods I know for bass.

I LOVE bass horns, just can not have them at home. So I turned to dipole. No regret.

How can mid-high horn(s) and dipole bass work together? Yes they can, and already been done many many years ago. See WE theater system (and Eurodyn)

BTW, I've been highly intereted in Supravox wide-rangers. I've never had a chance to listen to any of them, but they are that kind of drivers (only a few) that I admire so much just by looking at the pictures.
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Hi markusG, how is HornResp giving you grief? Just curious (I'm using AJ Horn + MJK).
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Old 29th April 2010, 01:44 PM   #84
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How about another pair of bigger badder bass horns?

Or dipole !
Neither is single driver/fullrange...

And gets into whole different sets of compromises...

IB isn't dipole...
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Old 29th April 2010, 05:18 PM   #85
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MarcusG, regarding Supravox vs Lowther, I have not heard the Lowthers but after reading what others have said the impression I get is that they sound very good with vocals, chamber music, etc. but may be hard to tame with other types of music. One thing that would make me shy away from a full range driver that I expected to cover the mid or high bass range would be a driver of limited displacement. Like I said though, I have not personally heard them, let alone in an optimized arrangement.
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MarcusG, regarding Supravox vs Lowther, I have not heard the Lowthers but after reading what others have said the impression I get is that they sound very good with vocals, chamber music, etc. but may be hard to tame with other types of music. One thing that would make me shy away from a full range driver that I expected to cover the mid or high bass range would be a driver of limited displacement. Like I said though, I have not personally heard them, let alone in an optimized arrangement.
I've heard Lowthers in quite a few configurations, and feel they're a "different taste for different folks" kind of thing.
The only way I liked them was field coil conversions in 140Hz LeCleac'h front horns, on top of Klipsch corner horns for bass, with super tweeters, and a Siesmic Sub.
But that was sweet, one of the best cone driver systems I've ever heard.
Easy, full, dynamic, open, not harsh, with anything I heard put before it.
And no longer full-range...
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I am basically building dipole Lowther sets with Lambda dipole 12's that are basically dipole themselves..

The compromises that going along with this route IMO outweighs every FR solution I have heard to date... all of which is my opinion of course..

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Neither is single driver/fullrange...

And gets into whole different sets of compromises...

IB isn't dipole...
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... all of which is my opinion of course..
--the important part which i left out...
everything i stated is only my opinion;
and mine only...

thanks for reminding
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rjbond3rd> Hornresp... I don't know what to make of it? There's a gazillion parameters to tweak. The grahs can be very messy to say the least. The supposed combined response is very odd, a 95dB SPL FR driver (Lowther EX2) falling off to 75dB in the kHz range?
It's hard to tell where the horn is actually doing any work? The SPL response for the horn is up in the 105dB area, sometimes even more?
I'm trying to figure it out but it's not easy going.

ctrevith> I haven't heard the Lowthers myslf either and I'm in no way decided.
My only real experience with FR drivers is the Jordan jx92s. I actually like it alot. There's only two things bother me. Low powerhandling = I'm afraid I'm going to blow my speaker at any time listening to music somewhat "loud".
It's like there's a very thin veil across everything. It doesn't sound bad in any way, I'd just like to remove that veil.
The bass is awsome, it truly defies physics.

Supravox looks to be low impedance drivers and I'm planning on using OTL tube amps. -> Higher impedance is better.
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