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Old 20th April 2010, 01:30 AM   #31
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for your reply.... If the word "Correct" is too strong for you... I can always accept "Working or OK" cabinet no problems at all.....
I fully understand the need for datas etc... but it's out of my hands it's fully up to Feastrex Japan to do so..
I only responded as I felt there was a need to highlight and clarify that the design for cabinets that "work" are available..
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Hi William,
Good to hear from you. Hope life in Singapore is good.

I think its just a matter of wording. "Correct" is a strong term. As an engineer (Mech. Eng) I'm sometimes guilty of using the term "correct" too much on occasion. The main thing is for members to have the opportunity to appreciate the nature and meaning of our comments.

Hope to meet you sometime when I next visit Singapore.

Cheers

Mark.

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Old 20th April 2010, 01:38 AM   #32
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Hi William,
Good to hear from you. Hope life in Singapore is good.

I think its just a matter of wording. "Correct" is a strong term. As an engineer (Mech. Eng) I'm sometimes guilty of using the term "correct" too much on occasion. The main thing is for members to have the opportunity to appreciate the nature and meaning of our comments.

Hope to meet you sometime when I next visit Singapore.

Cheers

Mark.
Sure, drop me a line if you are in Singapore... Btw my background is M.E. too.....
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Old 20th April 2010, 02:11 AM   #33
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Hi FR338,
OK, now we've established that you have a commercial interest in Feastrex , its up to other forum members to make a judgement call on the neutrality of your comments and opinions.

I understand your frustration. There are times when I feel the same; But as members with commercial interests, we have to self-moderate and act with some restraint. We may not like some of the comments on forums, but we must still respect the rights of ordinary members to say what they think and feel.

You need to act with greater restraint and stay with technical and related issues, rather than continuing to attack a member's personal standing. Frankly speaking, your behaviour so far, is not in keeping with the good nature and "spirit" of this forum.

Mark.
1. So far I am quoting my own history. If this is classified as personal attack then it is.

2. If my temporary misbehavior can alert public's cautiousness on some irresponsible sayings then I am more than willing to do so.


After all I highly respect your effort creating those affordable full range speakers though thinking it can upset certain full ranger counterparts would possibly require a lot more effort. I prefer to have private communication with you to response on my understanding of Feastrex's technicals as my intend to jump in this thread and my points should have clarified in totality above.
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Old 20th April 2010, 02:48 AM   #34
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1. So far I am quoting my own history. If this is classified as personal attack then it is.

2. If my temporary misbehavior can alert public's cautiousness on some irresponsible sayings then I am more than willing to do so.

After all I highly respect your effort creating those affordable full range speakers though thinking it can upset certain full ranger counterparts would possibly require a lot more effort. I prefer to have private communication with you to response on my understanding of Feastrex's technicals as my intend to jump in this thread and my points should have clarified in totality above.
Hi Fr338,
I would be nice to have a name? The forum's rules I think are clear. These include not "personalising" any differences of opinion. Another driver seller recently launched a personal attack on a member and moderator of this forum. His post was soon deleted. Your run the same risk if you continue to attack a member's character instead of debating technical and closely related issues.

Thanks for respecting my work, this is appreciated. This is precisely why I support this forum, and why I encourage members to contribute. DIY speaker building is a fantastic hobby, great fun and should be shared by more new people. It's up to members and buyers to make choices about which drivers they think best suits their needs. If only we could have all makers doing more to help the hobby progress, choices would be a little easier to make and everyone would benefit. Hence my point about encouraging all makers to publish more data.

Here's my definition of the situation (from our web site):

The perfect driver does not exist and never will, so be practical. Take an idea and work through the design. Test it and keep on improving it and test it some more. You can have all the theory in the world, but making something actually work is a totally different matter".

I'm available by private contact on this site, or by email (details) on our site.

Mark.

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Old 20th April 2010, 03:00 AM   #35
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...So for me, a $150 a pair set of drivers ended up walking all over other drivers costing more than 2K Euro a set. ... I can tell just by looking at those [Feastrex] ultra-thin cones that they will not please me.
Hi Inclined Plane, which were the $150/pair drivers you liked?

Incidentally, the Feastrex don't have that 2k whizzer peak as far as I can hear. But nor are they trying to be ultra-efficient like Lowthers, based on what little I know (very little!)
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Old 20th April 2010, 03:39 AM   #36
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Dear Mr. Fenlon,
Thanks for helping me to clear this mess. I should not have jumped in to express my own view, shouldn't I? I always thought the spirit of this forum is for us to share our "experiences" and "views" on audio DIYing. I have been hit in a similar fashion based on similar personal attack on a chinese forum about Feastrex when all I did originally was to ask for technical data information and help for pointing me to more resource about this driver on internet, because I could find very little using google myself.

True I won't like everything made on this planet, and I don't confess I have esoteric grade audio gears, nor do I own a pair of golden ears that can immediately tell the difference between a $$$$$$ driver and a $$ one, or I don't care? I do love music so much that I try to correlate what I hear in real world with what was played through audio system, and that is the basis for any of my audio projects. My audio system is only there for me to enjoy a good day of music after work. I could live without any DIYing, but I could not live without good music.

Let's pick ourselves up and move on.
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Old 20th April 2010, 04:06 AM   #37
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Hi Welborne,
I believe its right that ordinary members should be free to express themselves and challenges from commercial interests to their opinions should be kept well within the rules and spirit of the forum.

Agreed, it would be nice to move on, a point that perhaps could be best addressed between you and FR338 via private communication.

Hoping there's more contributions to this thread as it's got the potential to become interesting and informative.

Mark.
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Old 20th April 2010, 06:21 AM   #38
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Sorry for not paying closer asttention to the thread but I was out for the weekend.
Ok, I used poor wording. Like you say, "best" is a very subjective thing.

My reference point is the Jordan Jx92s driver.
Superb voice handeling, surprising bass but not so much "air" and "space" in the upper range? I'll be experimentig a little with toe in the upcming days I think?

I might just redisign the enclosure and stick with the Jordans?

However, my initial thought was to increase powerhandling and the easiest way it seams is to use a separate driver for the bass.

So, a fullrange driver for the midrange and treable while using a separate driver for the bass.

The full range drive should have better "air" than the Jordan else there's no point in changing. I'm having a slight problem expressing myself in english, air is the closest thing I an think of at the moment.

Most people I talk with seam to think it's better to put the filter in the midrange than the bass. So, somewhere in the 300-500Hz region seams reasonable.

Hope this post makes more sense?
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Old 20th April 2010, 06:26 AM   #39
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Oh, I did lok at the proposals given at the beginning of the thread.
Are Audio Nirvana coaxial drivers? >Anyway to low powerhandling.
Visaton is dropping a lot over the frequency range.
Most people I hear using Tang Band do it because of the price. Would any of you claim that they sound better than the Jx92s in the above mentioned regard?
Feastrex doesnt really sound like an option, expensive with poor documentation is not my cup of tea.
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Old 20th April 2010, 07:23 AM   #40
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I'm very happy with my current ml tqwt's but I can't play really loud due to obvious power limits.

Maybe there's a new speaker project in the near future?
So, I'm toying with the idea of using a full range driver down to somewhere in the bass range and a big woofer for the bass.

Which full range driver would you say is the best?
My current spakers use Jordan JX92s.
Over the last 10 years or so I've collected numerous "full range" drivers. From old Altec to Diatones to Fostex, Jordan, etc. Full range driver is an oxymoron. Wide band should be used to describe these drivers.

If I had to choose only one wide band driver pair from my collection I would choose the Feastrex. Next would be the Visaton B200, then the JX92s and Diatones. The Fostex, Altec, Lowther and Markaudio don't sound as balanced or clear. (The Lowthers I have are the DX4 and DX55, which have superior mid/top then all the other drivers, but alas is unbalanced and needs a bass driver.)
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