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Old 7th March 2010, 09:07 AM   #1
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Hallo guys (and girls). I just received my pair of BetsyK 8" fullrangers from WildBurroAudio (at 50% discount - a bargain,he,he) and I'd like to make onken box for it. Onken calc is giving me this results :
Vtotal=133l
Vport=10l
port dimm: 4x9x32 cm, Nports=8
A big box,but I can live with that, and more important - my wife agrees .
I'd change dimension of the port :2x18x32cm, same volume and length ,shouldn't be a problem.
I'm just worried about those 133l, Vas is 83l, am I using calculator correctly ?

Re 5.7 ohms
Fs 49.959Hz
Sd 22.966
BL 5.471
Qms 2.798
Qes .548
Qts .458
Spl 94.6
Vas 82.914L
Mms 9.167g Thanks.
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Old 7th March 2010, 05:51 PM   #2
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Hi Nesha, which Onken calculator are you using?
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Old 7th March 2010, 07:13 PM   #3
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The same one Andrea was using in his Hi efficiency +Onken project
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I tried basreflex calc for ButerrworthB4 type box - result was 100 l, and Hoge type box - 130l.

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I wouldn't have thought that a driver with a QTS in the >0.3 range would be a good match for an Onken box.. Maybe there is something I am missing. I haven't run the numbers in the Onken calculator yet. You are using Cyr Marc Debien's Onken Calculator (Koizumi/Mahul) aren't you? Certain parameters not being met disqualify it as a real Onken box.

Watch the port length, anything over 32cm is a concern due to serious comb filtering effects due to the excessive delay between the ports and the driver's direct radiation.
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Old 7th March 2010, 07:25 PM   #5
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I just checked again : port 4x9,5 x 32,5 cm ; calculator say 35cm is critical port length.
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I just checked again : port 4x9,5 x 32,5 cm ; calculator say 35cm is critical port length.
You're just inside the window.. Should be an interesting project. I quite like mine, but they're huge..
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Old 7th March 2010, 07:34 PM   #7
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Jes Kevin , that's the one I'm using. And I thought I can get away with 32,5cm
port length ...
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So, OK?
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Old 7th March 2010, 08:46 PM   #9
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Well, when I 'run the numbers' I get a somewhat different set of values for a n = 6.34, but adding more series Rg will of course increase the cab's net Vb, but either way the effective vent length (L' vent) is less than yours, so wondering if you're quoting the acoustically uncorrected length (L vent).

Note that I adjusted Mms/d to get the desired Vas spec since it calculates a slightly larger cab.

Regardless, Qts is > ~0.403 where Vb = Vas, Fb = Fs, so cab net Vb will be >Vas and Fb will be <Fs.

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