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Old 20th January 2013, 07:32 PM   #61
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I suspect that my new tube amp (on the way) will like these cables, too.
What will it say if it doesn't like them?

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What will it say if it doesn't like them?

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I don't know, but it'll be in a whiny tone.

I do plan to try it with both sets of cables, to see if things play out the same as with my SS amp.
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ive used 5 amp lamp cord with no issue on short runs. Dunno what AWG that would be, but for 12ft id think it would be ok, just. The gauge of cat5 isnt the issue to me, its the thin insulation and close proximity of conductors, and solid core, that concern me.
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I don't know, but it'll be in a whiny tone.
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its the thin insulation and close proximity of conductors, and solid core, that concern me.
The best dialectric for wire would be air (or a vacuum), thin is good in that respect. Given typical voltage levels the insulation is adequate. The thin, soldi core high purity wire is why you use it.

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Old 20th January 2013, 10:10 PM   #66
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2 x 24ga copper conductors = 0.3ohms resistance one-way over 3.5m

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Gladly. Shall we let this wretched thread about wire return to the obscurity in which it was deservedly languishing for over two years? Not only is it satisfying, you'll find it to be theraputic.

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Old 20th January 2013, 10:15 PM   #67
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The standard formulas for CAT5 is either a single 2-wire pair or all 8 wires, solids to +ve and stripes to -ve. This provides reasonably low capacitance and inductance and resistance low enough to be tolerable with low-power systems. The various braiding formulas cause capacitance to go out of site and can cause problems with conditionally stable amps.

The lifting of veils thing smacks of placebo effect. Assuming that your original cables don't have wildly strange LCR characteristics, there should be very little difference in sound between those and your new CAT5 cables.

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ive used 5 amp lamp cord with no issue on short runs. Dunno what AWG that would be, but for 12ft id think it would be ok, just. The gauge of cat5 isnt the issue to me, its the thin insulation and close proximity of conductors, and solid core, that concern me.
The twists in the cable rule out cross-talk in digital signalling, so I can only extraploate that they would do the same with analog interference (as cross-talk is due to analog EMI of neighbouring wires.)
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The standard formulas for CAT5 is either a single 2-wire pair or all 8 wires, solids to +ve and stripes to -ve. This provides reasonably low capacitance and inductance and resistance low enough to be tolerable with low-power systems. The various braiding formulas cause capacitance to go out of site and can cause problems with conditionally stable amps.

The lifting of veils thing smacks of placebo effect. Assuming that your original cables don't have wildly strange LCR characteristics, there should be very little difference in sound between those and your new CAT5 cables.

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Placebo, perhaps...

But how is it that I needed to adjust EQ after swapping cables?

Maybe I have actually lost enough in the bass that it sounds brighter, but I don't feel a lack of bass.

Some may wish to ignore the thread. I get that. However, I am not quite done exploring it...
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Oh dear.

OK. Here's one possible reason. I'm not saying it is the reason, it is just an example. When shifting to very thin wire, it's not uncommon for people to say they have found an apparent improvement in the midband & HF. One cause of this are conductors that are too thin to handle LF current demands, and thus their dynamic peaks are more or less subtlely compressed while the higher frequencies are of course left relatively unaffected, thus subjectively emphasising them over the lower registers and making them sound clearer.

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