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Old 20th February 2009, 05:58 AM   #11
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Default my process

#7 - clean ALL debris out of center of driver
#8 - remove tape from gap
#9 - screw in new phase plug

#10 - Enjoy.

Now it wasn't all as easy as it looks. I ran into a few problems.
-but that why I'm doing these experiments before I get to my FE167e's.

I have not done any listening yet, but will do soon.
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Old 20th February 2009, 06:14 AM   #12
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From that last picture, i'd suggest a plug that is fatter (so there is less gap) and longer (tip should reach to the top edge of the whizzer (at least))

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Old 20th February 2009, 01:26 PM   #13
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Thanks Dave,
I was wondering about the dimensions.

- I was also wondering about how drilling a hole down the middle would effect the magnetic field?
I assume the pro's outweigh the con's.
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I then used a lathe to get them smooth and square.

Ryan, I really don't know what I'm talking about here, but my intuition tells me that a squared-top/sharp-edge would be a bad Idea.
-Is there a non-cosmetic reason why you made them this way?
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Default Re: Square??

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Ryan, I really don't know what I'm talking about here, but my intuition tells me that a squared-top/sharp-edge would be a bad Idea.
-Is there a non-cosmetic reason why you made them this way?

It can't be any worse than this http://www.decware.com/newsite/DFR8.htm


.....and a hex socket is substantially cheaper than the 200$ they want for it


Not that either will work as well as a bullet shaped, or a mushroom shaped plug.


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For the extra work involded in making a bullet or mushroom shape phase plug or the cost of buying some, I thought I would try the socket. I had read of a few people trying this with success and knowing of the decware design, I thought this cant be too far off. After some listening I have found that most of the midrange shout is gone and the sound seems much less directional. As far as I'm concered this has done it for me!

Gio, just by ear using the blink test cd, I can hear 31.5Hz no problem, but it is not quite full volume (with respect to the other tracks). 40Hz seem to be full volume. No sub right now, I'm not sure I need one.
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From that last picture, i'd suggest a plug that is fatter (so there is less gap) and longer (tip should reach to the top edge of the whizzer (at least))

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I agree mine have about the same clearance as the voice coil/pole piece. I didn't want to take the chance of metals chips getting into the gap so mine are fastened with a small amount of JB weld and positioned with shims till set up. never tried one of the mushroom shapes though.
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Old 20th February 2009, 06:29 PM   #18
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anybody seen Steve Deckart's new phase plugs?
vac tubes? yep thats right.
http://www.decware.com/newsite/DFR6.htm
I don't know about this one, seems to me the internals would resonate badly. But hey Iam not adverse to at least try it.
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For the extra work involded in making a bullet or mushroom shape phase plug or the cost of buying some, I thought I would try the socket. I had read of a few people trying this with success and knowing of the decware design, I thought this cant be too far off. After some listening I have found that most of the midrange shout is gone and the sound seems much less directional. As far as I'm concered this has done it for me!
Somewhere deep in my email, i have comments from a customer, that tried both the decware socket and my plugs. The sockets are back in his toolbox (i've not tried the socket -- getting it out after putting it in is not easy)

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anybody seen Steve Deckart's new phase plugs?
vac tubes? yep thats right.
http://www.decware.com/newsite/DFR6.htm
I don't know about this one, seems to me the internals would resonate badly. But hey Iam not adverse to at least try it.
Me too... and we did find that. The idea is not original to Deckart (IIRC, either Cal's or Chris')... see the picture published in this forum post (ie Aug 05 at the 2nd annual Vancouver Island diyFEST (#6 21 aug 09)) at least a year before he released his new plug

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...amp=1125340084

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...940#post712940

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