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Old 16th February 2009, 06:27 PM   #11
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For reference, my current system in my Mazdaspeed6 is...

Factory Bose radio, normally sends 2v pre-out signal to bose amp is redirected to a PPI DCX-730 processor. I have 4 40w channels to work with, 2 85w channels, and 1 500w channel. These are on high quality DLS amplifiers. Tweeters are made by TBI and are currently mounted in sail panels (40w each 5KHz-20KHz). Woofers are DLS Iridium 6.5"s mounted in the stock door locations (85w each 70Hz-5KHz). Subwoofer is a 12" DLS OA12 mounted free-air on the rear deck (500w 20Hz-70Hz). The front doors are deadened with a layer of raammat (similar to dynamat) and a layer of 1/4" closed cell foam.

So the system is complete, and high quality, but there is no focus to the sound at all. I can do a pretty good job leveling the output with an RTA and the DCX processor. It's great and extremely dynamic but I feel the left and right is working against each other. I've had lots of people tell me it is a great sounding system, but after putting many hours on my frugelhorns I am no longer convinced. I've tried reversing the polarity on speakers, tuning left/right separately instead of together, using sweeps vs pink noise, etc etc. But nothing brings the focus in to a center image over the dash.

I also have in my basement a pair of DLS 3" Iridium domes. These reportedly play from 350-400Hz up to 6-7KHz. I had them in my last car and loved the amount of detail and ambience they added to music but I never got around to installing them in this car. They never sounded as good as my FE126e's though.
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Old 16th February 2009, 06:51 PM   #12
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Default Re: Full range drivers in a car?

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full range drivers in their cars?
o yeah!

how about this one!
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Old 16th February 2009, 11:00 PM   #13
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the thing with speakers that marketed for Cars is most of them are crap

and given the environment, its really hard job to accomodate good sound and soundstaging without heavily corrected with Time Alignment and EQ.

i listened to many, but it seems none of them have a place in my memory or heart

Pioneer have ODR, which is all digital from the head unit until amps.

Zapco also have similar with their amps.

I heard some scanspeak, morel, eton in the car setup, but its really nothing compare to home.

So its a though challenge to get the sound right with the right money

forgive me my rant, its all has to do with searching the reasonable audio system in the car for many years, but still haven't found it yet.

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Old 17th February 2009, 03:48 AM   #14
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Chops became addicted the other way... he got FE103 for his car, and was spoiled by listening to the cardboard break-in boxes (he now has FE126eN in the same box).

dave
This is very true and highly accurate!


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the thing with speakers that marketed for Cars is most of them are crap

So its a though challenge to get the sound right with the right money
Sure, a lot of them are crap, but the same can be said of home audio as well. If you know what you're looking for, you can find some real gems out there in the car audio world for not too much money.

As for my car system, I have a pair of Rainbow W 165 Germanium 6.5" drivers in the doors covering 60Hz - 1.5kHz @ 2nd order. In the dash locations, I'm using a pair of home audio Dayton DC28F-8 1-1/8" soft dome tweeters from 1.5kHz @ 4th order on up.

The mid-tweet crossover points are taken care of via my JL Audio 300/4v2 amp, the Rainbow's 60Hz roll-off is taken care of via my new Kenwood Excelon KDC-X592 head unit. Fine tuning is done with the Kenwood's built-in PEQ.

The combined results of this setup is staggering to say the least! As simple as it is, I have never heard a front stage so full, natural, clean and dynamic sounding in a vehicle before, and I've been to plenty of IASCA and USAC shows before.

Funny thing is, I still haven't decided on a subwoofer system yet. I have the amp and Epicenter for it, but no driver(s) or enclosure plans. Too many projects, not enough money and/or time.
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Old 17th February 2009, 06:54 AM   #15
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Hi Chops,

Since you've tried FR in your car, What is your opinion about it? Why are you not using FR anymore in your car now?
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Old 17th February 2009, 07:05 AM   #16
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I have (4) Visaton BG 17's in my car.

Previously I had some 2way Infinity's.

Unfortunately I also changed the receiver. So it's not a controlled experiemnt.

The Visaton's seem to have more punch and presence. While the Infinity's were very mild and pulled back.

Not a huge difference in my opinion. Neither is preferred, just different.
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Old 17th February 2009, 01:52 PM   #17
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Hi Chops,

Since you've tried FR in your car, What is your opinion about it? Why are you not using FR anymore in your car now?

Unfortunately, I never got that far with them to install them in my car. When I did try to, the magnets were too large and deep, hitting the air vent duct work inside the dash preventing them to ever reach the mounting surface.

After hearing what those little FE103's are capable of, I know they would sound excellent in my car though. Who knows, maybe I'll build up some baffles for them and put them in one of these days. You never can tell what I might do around here! LOL
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Old 17th February 2009, 02:27 PM   #18
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An alternative could be a pair of Visaton B200 in the rear on the shelf. The situation would be an infinite baffle without the need for a woofer and the prominent highs of the B200 would be reduced by the reflection.
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Plain and simple, my introduction to full range has corrupted my ears and now my elaborate car audio system sounds like ***. I have a processor with a fully parametric EQ, digital crossover, and time alignment, but I cannot seem to get the focus that comes so effortlessly out of my frugel horns with eNabled FE126e's.
eNabled FE126e's - there's your problem.

"full range has corrupted my ears" -

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