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Old 30th January 2009, 10:09 PM   #1
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Default Conical Horn with Markaudio Alpair10 FR

I mentioned it already in some other threads, I have put the Markaudio Alpair10FR in a conical horn. and it is that good imho that it deserves its very own thread

this combination is bull's-eye in any way, for it combines the lively sound of a horn, the 'pure' sound of a full range without any corrections, and the tonal accuracy and true full range, flat response usually only found in good multyway speakers.

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some quick measurements... under 400Hz is nearfield (2"), under 100Hz I deleted the graph for I was too lazy to include the horn output.
some slight non-flatness above 4kHz which might be diffraction (again, lazyness causes the lack of off-axis measurents) but in any case do not colour the sound in any way

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and guess why I have not made a proper drawing
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Old 31st January 2009, 04:59 AM   #2
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No BSC, no notch ?
Looks great.


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Old 31st January 2009, 08:17 AM   #3
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Given that the majority of the horn output will be below 100Hz it's a shame it hasn't been shown, as the graph is effectively giving very little, if any, information about how the cabinet is behaving.
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No BSC, no notch ?
no, just the driver and a horn


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Given that the majority of the horn output will be below 100Hz it's a shame it hasn't been shown, as the graph is effectively giving very little, if any, information about how the cabinet is behaving.
yes, I know. when I fix my own measuring gear I will do some close range of driver and port, for normal measurements will only represent my listening room. I could dig out the sims if you are interested?

based on my ears, I would guess that f3 is somewhat below 50Hz
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Old 31st January 2009, 02:12 PM   #5
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For the moment, stick the mic ~ 1mm ~centered inside the port and horn mouth to get a near-field measurement to take enough of the room's effect out of their respective response.

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Old 31st January 2009, 02:32 PM   #6
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Henkjan,

Did u try Jim's style ML-TL? if no need for bsc for this conic horn it will be superb.

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For the moment, stick the mic ~ 1mm ~centered inside the port and horn mouth to get a near-field measurement to take enough of the room's effect out of their respective response.
I know the theory, the prob is that I need to fix my own measuring gear first...


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if no need for bsc for this conic horn it will be superb.
there is no need for a bsc with this horn

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Did u try Jim's style ML-TL?
no, already suffering from the "too many projects, so little time" syndrom.
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Old 14th February 2009, 04:04 AM   #8
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henkjan, any updates on your conical horn?

im sure u're enjoying too much
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Old 15th February 2009, 11:14 AM   #9
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sorry, no updates yet... I did buy all the stuff I need to get my measuring gear working again (mic, USB-preamp, usb hub) so when i find the time and courage to install everything, I will post it here...
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Default clarification from newbi

The shaded area at the top left of the right hand view, I take to be the driver mounted. I just wondered since it's shown as a box if that is what is meant or does it simply represent the driver installed onto the baffle.

And lower down on the right above the opening, I take the squiggly
red lines to be suspended dampening held in with a mesh?

I have order the Alpair 10's and hope to make this my first build.
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