Full range monitors

echosystm · 29th January 2009, 06:21 AM

Hi guys,

My Event TR6 studio monitors are showing their age, so I think it is a good time for me to get some new speakers. These speakers will be used for producing electronic music, in a near field arrangement.

Would full range monitors and a sub woofer be suitable for this kind of application? I have read that FR drivers have trouble in the top end because they "rely on cone resonance to extend their range". Apparently this makes them unsuitable for studio monitor use, as it would make it hard to hear reverb etc. Is this true?

I would like the sub woofer to crossover at no higher than 100hz (80-90hz would be preferable). If they are ported, they must be front ported. Also, they must not be floor standing, so sizes up to that of an 8" studio monitor would be fine. Given these restrictions, what would be a good FR driver and design to use?

I have a budget of around $700AUD for the FR speakers and an amp. The amp will be about $200 or so. For reference to Australian prices:

Fostex FE127E $85
Fostex FX120 $199

Thanks

Bigun · 29th January 2009, 04:43 PM

check out:

http://www.planet10-hifi.com/fonken.html

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Solo103.html

vitalstates · 29th January 2009, 06:54 PM

I was about to replace my tannoys for near field monitoring and was tempted to try Dave's mini fonkens.....I don't see any problem with the top end.....

My timescales are fairly stretched as I have a heap of other stuff to do first but I'm certainly watching your endeavour with interest.

Ed

ps... I won't be entertaining any form of sub though, in my experience they add nothing but blur...

Bigun · 29th January 2009, 07:19 PM

I'll start building my small Fonkens tomorrow, if I make any progress worth reporting I'll let you know !

I'm not concerned about obtaining really deep LF response from them because I plan to use a sub as part of an HT setup.

Thus, I don't share your pessimism over subs. I can't speak from experience, but I see no reason why you can't build a sub which performs well. There are plenty of people on this forum that I would trust to design such a sub.

chrisb · 29th January 2009, 07:24 PM

Provided that your budget allowance for amp will procure enough power for the driver's sensitivity and anticipated SPLs, the CSS FR125 in the mini-onken enclosure would be a great candidate for a small monitor.

We have installed a 5.1 monitoring system for a local video/ film producer's in home mixing suite with this system.

Not the best quality photo, but shown on floor stands below:

When built from plywood, these cabinets are light enough for wall mounting with appropriate brackets.

While I personally find the Fostex FE127 more emotionally satisfying, there's no doubt that some might describe its midrange presence and imaging as "euphonic" compared to the CSS, whose neutrality and extended LF response could be most beneficial in a near field monitor.

As for not being able to hear "reverb etc", with any decent FR driver, I doubt I'm alone in saying - "let's see the explanation of that". (and that's being polite)

planet10 · 29th January 2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vitalstates
mini fonkens....

mFonken = milliFonken

Single full range drivers already have a place as nearfiled monitors... unlike the Auratones, both the mFonken and the small aperiodic FE125 are quite musical. Nearfield FRs don't suffer from the common problem inherent in 2-ways -- the lack of ability to get far enuff away for the midwoof & the tweeter to integrate.

Choice of which one if these is best suited might well come down to what amp you have.

dave

Alex from Oz · 30th January 2009, 12:00 AM

Hey chrisb,

Those RCA cables look like they are glowing!
Do they come from Yoda at Jedi audio?

Cheers,

Alex

chrisb · 30th January 2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Oz
Hey chrisb,

Those RCA cables look like they are glowing!
Do they come from Yoda at Jedi audio?

Cheers,

Alex

Dave's picture - I didn't attend this particular event, so I can't explain the artifact - I think they were playing some MMEB.

Cal Weldon · 30th January 2009, 05:01 PM

Must be some 'o' them big electrons flowing. Another reason to use big wire.

Scottmoose · 30th January 2009, 05:19 PM

I've warned you guys before about using fancy materials in cables. You will now have to stay in at break and write out the following 100 times

'I must not use plutonium for my speaker wire.'

29th January 2009, 06:21 AM	#1
echosystm diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Full range monitors Hi guys, My Event TR6 studio monitors are showing their age, so I think it is a good time for me to get some new speakers. These speakers will be used for producing electronic music, in a near field arrangement. Would full range monitors and a sub woofer be suitable for this kind of application? I have read that FR drivers have trouble in the top end because they "rely on cone resonance to extend their range". Apparently this makes them unsuitable for studio monitor use, as it would make it hard to hear reverb etc. Is this true? I would like the sub woofer to crossover at no higher than 100hz (80-90hz would be preferable). If they are ported, they must be front ported. Also, they must not be floor standing, so sizes up to that of an 8" studio monitor would be fine. Given these restrictions, what would be a good FR driver and design to use? I have a budget of around $700AUD for the FR speakers and an amp. The amp will be about $200 or so. For reference to Australian prices: Fostex FE127E $85 Fostex FX120 $199 Thanks

29th January 2009, 04:43 PM	#2
Bigun diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Blog Entries: 2	check out: http://www.planet10-hifi.com/fonken.html http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Solo103.html __________________ "The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed." Robert M Pirsig.

29th January 2009, 07:19 PM	#4
Bigun diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Blog Entries: 2	I'll start building my small Fonkens tomorrow, if I make any progress worth reporting I'll let you know ! I'm not concerned about obtaining really deep LF response from them because I plan to use a sub as part of an HT setup. Thus, I don't share your pessimism over subs. I can't speak from experience, but I see no reason why you can't build a sub which performs well. There are plenty of people on this forum that I would trust to design such a sub. __________________ "The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed." Robert M Pirsig.

29th January 2009, 07:24 PM	#5
chrisb diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: victoria BC	Provided that your budget allowance for amp will procure enough power for the driver's sensitivity and anticipated SPLs, the CSS FR125 in the mini-onken enclosure would be a great candidate for a small monitor. We have installed a 5.1 monitoring system for a local video/ film producer's in home mixing suite with this system. Not the best quality photo, but shown on floor stands below: When built from plywood, these cabinets are light enough for wall mounting with appropriate brackets. While I personally find the Fostex FE127 more emotionally satisfying, there's no doubt that some might describe its midrange presence and imaging as "euphonic" compared to the CSS, whose neutrality and extended LF response could be most beneficial in a near field monitor. As for not being able to hear "reverb etc", with any decent FR driver, I doubt I'm alone in saying - "let's see the explanation of that". (and that's being polite) __________________ you don't really believe everything you think, do you? community sites t-linespeakers.org, frugal-horn.com commercial site planet10-HiFi

30th January 2009, 05:01 PM	#9
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	Must be some 'o' them big electrons flowing. Another reason to use big wire. __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting


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29th January 2009, 06:54 PM	#3
vitalstates diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: uk	I was about to replace my tannoys for near field monitoring and was tempted to try Dave's mini fonkens.....I don't see any problem with the top end..... My timescales are fairly stretched as I have a heap of other stuff to do first but I'm certainly watching your endeavour with interest. Ed ps... I won't be entertaining any form of sub though, in my experience they add nothing but blur...

30th January 2009, 12:00 AM	#7
Alex from Oz diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canberra, Australia	Hey chrisb, Those RCA cables look like they are glowing! Do they come from Yoda at Jedi audio? Cheers, Alex

30th January 2009, 05:19 PM	#10
Scottmoose diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK	I've warned you guys before about using fancy materials in cables. You will now have to stay in at break and write out the following 100 times 'I must not use plutonium for my speaker wire.'

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