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Old 29th August 2010, 07:42 PM   #111
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I've tried my EL70's with like... The Haunted and Meshuggah but it's not very fun without my sub. And i'm not playing as loud as i want to because it would be too much for the little El70's. But as soon as i get a HP-filter on them and some better subs it's time to rock!
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Old 31st August 2010, 05:11 AM   #112
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Front horns for both bottom end and wide-band would be the 'optimal' if done properly in terms of maximum SPLs and dynamic BW. If you want simpler, something like the Basszilla with monopole bass unit[s] crossed to a wide-band on OB is good, or you could run the wideband unit sealed. Depends on the sound you prefer, how complex you want to make things, space & cost considerations etc. There's a huge variety of options available; same goes for drive units. Eminence are popular & not overly expensive. Fane make some excellent units. There are dozens of manufacturers so have a look around.
What would be the main difference in sound characteristic between a open baffle or sealed for the wide band? Both should be relatively simple to implement? (compared to a BLH for the FR)? Which is better for metal? Haha.

I'm leaning towards a tapped horn for the bass unit for a closer match in efficiency with the FR. I'll look up Fane and Eminence, Thanks!
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Old 31st August 2010, 02:52 PM   #113
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A true, straight front horn for mid-bass rocks.
YMMV, but I haven't heard anything that comes close,
and that's for any kind of music.
I'm calling mid-bass ~60 - 200 Hz,
(I'm using a pair of tapped horns for subs below).
And greatly prefer FLHs above as well.

But that's a system that plays full-range,
not a single driver system...
(and is complicated,
taking me years to build, not a weekend...)
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Old 31st August 2010, 05:45 PM   #114
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A true, straight front horn for mid-bass rocks.
YMMV, but I haven't heard anything that comes close,
and that's for any kind of music.
I'm calling mid-bass ~60 - 200 Hz,
(I'm using a pair of tapped horns for subs below).
And greatly prefer FLHs above as well.

But that's a system that plays full-range,
not a single driver system...
(and is complicated,
taking me years to build, not a weekend...)
Serenechaos,

I already have a transmission line subwoofer with a 15" driver for bass duties, so i'm trying to fill up the midbass duties now, as you said.

Do you think the tapped horn not suitable for this? I'm thinking 80Hz-200Hz for the tapped horn.

You mean FLH for the midbass, ie the horn is in front of the driver? What would the dimensions (mouth diameter, length) be for a 80Hz lower cutoff?
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Old 31st August 2010, 07:10 PM   #115
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rhapsodee,

i'm not sure what you're doing--
using a transmission line as a sub;
and want to use a tapped horn for mid-bass?

yes, i think a front loaded horn is much better for mid-bass,
(and low-mid, and high-mid), than anything else i've ever heard.
horn in front of the driver.

this has turned into a long-term project though...
Eleven Horns - lower midrange horn.... 140 Hertz Le Cleac'h... for low-mid,
Eleven Horns - upper midrange horn.... 600 Hertz Le Cleac'h... for high-mid,
MyEmia for drivers...
(and a ribbon above 10k, so five-way).

same general idea for mid-bass, but no links to pictures.
i don't know what dimensions would be crossing over @ 80Hz,
smaller though...
depends on flare, and where you truncate it.
if you can live w/ the size (depth), i really like the straight horn mid bass though. even aa four foot horn length can be amazing w/ 15" drivers w/ sealed back chambers. ck it out in hornresp.
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Old 5th November 2010, 12:47 PM   #116
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I play metal stuff on full range and it's bearable enough but not ideal. Here's a clip using cheap two ways on yubes.

If I use SS it's all cymbals and sounds really tinny, as per the A to B on youtube here:

YouTube - Dimmu Borgir - Transistor / Valve Audio A to B comparison
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Old 5th November 2010, 02:38 PM   #117
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I've actually been using my speakers on my desktop for a while without a sub and it worked better than I thought it would. The very deepest bass was missing but it worked well anyways.
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Old 5th November 2010, 02:59 PM   #118
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Sure I play metal on my jx92s ML-TQWT's.
The problem isn't bass in any way, they are mindblowing when it comes to bass.
The problem lies more with the mid-range, it can become very pronounced with this kind of music. Simply to much energy... Maybe it's the recordings that are iffy? They can play anything but Heavy metal in general feels very "loud". It's very odd.
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Old 5th November 2010, 10:14 PM   #119
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Not a problem. Really. "Smash you in the chest with a baseball bat" type bass.
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Old 2nd December 2010, 07:45 PM   #120
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Sure I play metal on my jx92s ML-TQWT's.
The problem isn't bass in any way, they are mindblowing when it comes to bass.
The problem lies more with the mid-range, it can become very pronounced with this kind of music. Simply to much energy... Maybe it's the recordings that are iffy? They can play anything but Heavy metal in general feels very "loud". It's very odd.
I have the same experience! Speakers that sound very neutral and transparent and generally deemed as accurate become ear piercing when cranking heavy metal.

I think it's just the nature of the electric guitar sounds and distortion used in production and mixing of metal songs.
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